Name: Keno
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Subject: Poll Post - for the week starting Monday, Feb 21
Date: Sunday, February 20, 2022
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Poll Post - for the week starting Monday, Feb 21

For this week we will return to our full slate of polls, now that I'm almost 100% better and I can think straight once again. I’ll start off talking ‘bout the Stones poll, where we’ll enter week 1,177 of voting and week 68 of rating the Stones songs. So this week’s question asks: Rate the Stones song “19th Nervous Breakdown”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“19th Nervous Breakdown”, Stones single covers, UK (L) U.S. (R)

"19th Nervous Breakdown" was released on 4 February 1966 in the UK and then on February 12, 1966 in the U.S. While the writing credit went to Jagger/Richards, it was actually Mick Jagger who wrote all of the lyrics alone, while Keith Richards and Brian Jones came up with the guitar parts together, and with Bill Wyman coming up with the special bass ending. Had this song been written in the matter as it was and released a year earlier, it would have been credited to "Nanker/Phelge" the pseudonym used up until early 1965 for such Rolling Stones group compositions, instead of unfairly only crediting "Jagger/Richards". But their manager Andrew Loog Oldham, in mid '65 had decided that all such band work would from now on only be credited to "Jagger/Richards". Oldham wanted it so that the Glimmer Twins would be more looked at like the Beatles' "Lennon/McCartney" writing team. Only problem was the two pairs weren’t the same at all. Lennon and McCartney never allowed that BS to ever happen in their band. When George Harrison wrote a song, he got credited for it, and he was even encouraged to write songs by his 2 bandmates, but that was never the case in the Stones. So thanks to the moronic stand that asshole Oldham took, he not only started this stealing of writing credit from the other Stones, but taught the Glimmers that it was okay to do this bullshit. It wasn't okay of course, and it led to many other future problems in the Stones for years to come, and only proved how terrible a manager and person Oldham really was, since he was 100% behind it all.

But getting back to the song, it was a major hit, reaching #2 on both the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 and Britain's Record Retailer chart (the UK Singles Chart), while topping the unofficial charts compiled by Cash Box and NME. Because only the Record Retailer chart was official in UK at the time, this fact broke the band's streak of consecutive number-one singles that had started with "It's All Over Now" in 1964.

While Richards played the main lead guitar heard on the song, there were a few brief lead guitar parts played by Brian, especially near the ending that you can see in the video if you look closely at the 2 as they play the song up on stage. Plus, there was that famous but very brief "fuzz guitar or sax" sound we hear, which has always been credit to BJ (other than at the always wrong Wiki site, that credits it to Keith), but that's actually Brian on sax. It's still disputed by some fans that no, it's Brian on fuzz guitar (it was big time talk at our old Gas board with some Gassers claiming it was BJ on fuzz guitar for sure). The session logs didn't note what was being played there (but it's clearly not the 2 main Electric guitars we hear playing on the rest of the song); but it sure sounds like and always has sounded like a sax and not a guitar, to my ears, anyway.

Guess I'll close this out with having to laugh at what I saw at Wiki the other day, after reading what I did over there (I've been at total odds with 2 moronic editors there [and believe me, I'm not just being mean in saying that about them], but they are true assholes and they control the Stones info a Wiki, and they won't allow changes to the many mistakes noted there about the Stones; I did try fixing a few of those mistakes a few years ago, but they won’t allow it and removed my work and replaced it back with the wrong, incorrect info). But I see now that today they actually are using a term I coined for Bill's great lead bass line at the end of the song, as - and I'll quote exactly how they word it over there 'The track is also known for Bill Wyman's so-called "dive-bombing" bass line at the end'. Yes, that was a term I came up with back in 1996 when I wrote my review for the song at this domain, and then reused in my Stones book Rolling Thru the Stones a few years later. So it's a direct copyright infraction taken word for word from my book. They always make a big deal over at Wiki in their rules that one gets permission before lifting material from published works, and this isn't the first time Wiki has taken info directly from my book without asking and is using it at their site. Only figures! Not that I wish to be credited at that wasteland of Rolling Stones info that Wiki is, thanks to the fools who control the Stones’ pages there. With that noted, that isn't an issue with the rest of the Wiki site. They do of course claim anybody can edit pages over there, and I guess on non-Stones pages that's true (since when I have changed things incorrect on other, non Stones pages, I had no problems in doing so and wasn't ever challenged). But that isn't the case with the Stones pages, not at all.

But in closing out info for this song, the lineup for this tune was: Mick Jagger – Lead Vocal; Keith Richards – Backing Vocal, Main Electric Lead Guitar; Brian Jones – Electric Rhythm Guitar & Saxophone (or Fuzz Guitar); Bill Wyman – Bass Guitar; Charlie Watts – Drums...... Okay, it’s time to rate this week’s song. To do that, just click on the following link: Stones Weekly Poll.... Also, important to always note: Please remember that we aren’t rating the video for the song here that is linked to at the voting page. Only the song itself is what is being rated for this poll. The video link is included at the voting page only so you can hear the song before you vote.

Last week at the Stones poll we voted on this question: Rate the Stones song “Streets of Love”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“Streets of Love”, from the LP A Bigger Bang

"Streets Of Love” saw a top rating of just a 7, taking in 40% of the vote. So the low ratings given by fans for the newer Stones songs, which I talked about last week - continues. Sorry, but this was an excellent song, it should at the least saw a 9, how could it only get a 7? To see the full, final results from this poll, just click here: Stones Weekly Poll - week 1,176. Or, to see where in the rating standings this song landed, just click on here: Stones Song Ratings & Standings - List Page 5.

Okay, we now will move on over to this week’s Classic Rock Poll, where we enter week 816 of polling, and for the voting at this poll, we always run 2 different Rock Polls per week. For this week’s first, main poll, we have this question, which asks: What was the best Bob Dylan cover? (Part 2 of 3).

Bob Dylan, in the 1960s

This week we look at Part 2 of 3 of the Bob Dylan cover poll. You all know how our multi-week polling works (if not, just see the Poll Post from 2 weeks ago for how it's run). For this week, we have another 27 songs to vote on, and the Top 10 that we choose this week will be voted on in Part 3, next week.

To see what 27 cover songs you can choose from in Part 2, click here: Classic Rock Poll , and when you get to this page, choose “Poll 1” to vote in this poll.

Now let’s take a look at this week’s Rock Video Poll. Here's this week’s question: Rate Pink Floyd's video for “Comfortably Numb” from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest). Click 'here' for the video.

Pink Floyd’s “Comfortably Numb”

We've only rated one Pink Floyd video so far after all of the many video that we have rated in the past, but this is a band that only really released vids in the '60s and then again in their later years. They didn't really release any official videos during their prime days (for the most part). I was gonna go this week with rating an official video from the first LP, from the Syd Barret days, when they called such things "promo films", but then I ran into this fan made video of "Comfortably Numb" and decided I really dug this one. I have found when we - on rare occasions - have rated such fan videos, we rate almost all such vids the highest. That's because our fellow fans have put together some great music vids, no question. This one was mainly put together using clips from the movie The Wall.

The song itself comes from the album The Wall, released in 1979, and it was also released as a single in June of 1980. The music was composed by David Gilmour, with his guitar solo in the tune considered one of the greatest guitar solos ever heard in a rock song. The lyrics were written by Roger Waters. Waters lyrics reflected two real life health issues he experienced, one while he very sick and in the hospital as a child, and the another as he was very ill once again, this time as an adult, before a live show that Pink Floyd was about to play in 1977 in Philadelphia. At that time, he had a doctor inject him with tranquilizers so he could perform at the show. Before the injection of tranquilizers, he couldn’t move his hands or raise his arms, as they really did feel like 2 balloons, as he put it in the song.

The lineup for this number was: Roger Waters – Lead Vocals (on the verses), Bass Guitar, Outro Guitar Solo; David Gilmour – Lead and Harmony Vocals, Acoustic Guitar (second verse), Electric Guitar, Main Guitar Solos, Pedal Steel Guitar, some Bass Guitar, Synthesizer; Nick Mason – Drums; Richard Wright – Organ; with: Lee Ritenour – Acoustic Guitar (chorus). The tune was produced by Bob Ezrin with the orchestral arrangements by Michael Kamen.

So let's see now if you feel this fan video is as good as the other fan videos that we have rated in the past by voting in our poll this week. To watch the video and vote in this Rock Video Poll, just click on this link: Classic Rock Poll, and when you get to this page, choose “Poll 2” to vote on this question.

Two weeks ago in the first Rock Poll we voted in this question: What was the best Bob Dylan cover? (Part 1 of 3).

Bob Dylan, today

From Part 1 of this poll, held 2 weeks ago, here are the 10 cover songs along with the artists who covered them, that we picked and which will be voted on in the final round: 'Mr. Tambourine Man' - The Bryds (1965) (20.7%), 'If Not For You' - George Harrison (1970) (10.7%), 'Blowin' in the Wind' - Stevie Wonder (1966) (10.7%), 'Like a Rolling Stone' - Jimi Hendrix (1967) (10.7%), 'Just Like A Woman' - Joe Cocker (1969) (10.6%), 'It's All Over Now, Baby Blue' - The Animals (1977) (9%), 'All I Really Want To Do' - Cher (1965) (6.8%), 'It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry' - Al Kooper and Stephen Stills (1968) (5.9%), 'Blowin' in the Wind' - Sam Cooke (1963) (4.2%) and 'It Ain’t Me Babe' - Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash (1965) (2.2%).

To see this poll’s full, final results, just click on the following link: Classic Rock Poll, week 815, Poll 1..

Two weeks ago in the Rock Video Poll we voted in this question: Rate Donovan's live video (w/ Jimmy Page) for “Sunshine Superman”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“Sunshine Superman” Donovan w/Jimmy Page, from the live video that we rated 2 weeks ago

The top rating for this Donovan/Page video was a "10", taking in 34.7% of the first-place votes. You can check out the full results from this video poll by clicking on the following link: Classic Rock Video Poll, week 815

Or, to check out the results on the Rock Video list page, where you can see the full video standings, just click on the following link: Top Ratings for Rock Videos Page

Finally, it’s time to head on over to this week’s Beatles Poll, where we enter week 567 of voting, and we’ll answer 2 questions this week. The first question asks: Rate the Beatles first ever UK single release, "Love Me Do” (with Ringo Starr on drums), from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“Love Me Do” The Beatles UK single with the red label (L) meant it was the Ringo on drums take

Then the second question will ask this: Rate the Beatles first ever U.S. single release, “Love Me Do” (with Andy White on drums), from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest)

“Love Me Do” The Beatles UK single with the black label (L) meant it was the Andy White on drums take. The same U.S. version label is on the right

With this week's Beatle poll, we open up (for now) the rating of the Beatles songs. We will do this for the next several weeks and then I'll see if I'm gonna closed up this weekly long running poll for good at that time, as I've been planning to do for the last couple of years. But I just might keep it going in this matter, depending on how you Beatle fans react to rating their songs. I could close down another weekly poll instead. Since rating songs are pretty much easy polls to think up and put together, I'll just might keep this poll going doing this for the several years it would take to rate one song a week - if the desirer is there from fans to vote in such a poll and if it doesn't become too boring to hold such a poll for the Beatles (since Fab fans - my guess is - will rate most Beatle songs a 10, and that could get boring after a while if the results are always the same). But if this polling remains fun to work on each week, and more important - you voters continue to stick around and keep voting each week (as most of you have been doing), then maybe I'll keep this poll running for the next few years and we can continue rating one Beatle song a week. I would instead end the second Rock poll of the week (that's the Video and VS Rock polls) in the next few months, as running just 3 polls a week is my aim to be at soon. But time will tell, and I've been noting this for some time now, yet I'm now not certain which poll will end next. Yet for this week, with this Fab poll, we are voting in 2 polls for the week, in part since I wanted to kick off this Beatle song rating series - going with their first ever single release (in the UK of course), and that's "Love Me Do". But as all, er, most Fab fans know, there were 2 different versions of this number released as one song, and since they are both well known (with one version also being the first single release of a Beatle song in the U.S., too), we will rate both versions of the song in this one week, even if the second release of this song wasn't their true first ever UK released, but let me explain this a bit now.

I'll try to get the facts straight about this song and it's 2 releases as best as I can. First, officially, there are 2 different versions of this one song - yet they almost sound actually the same - for the most part, yet there's no question that you can hear and tell the difference between the 2 of them, too. Plus yes, while today and since 1993 there's officially been a third version released of this song (just to add to the confusion), which was actually the very first recording of this song, that one was never meant to be released to the public and meant to only be made and used as a demo. That take was put together on 6 June 1962 with original Beatle Pete Best still in the band and playing the drums. This take was made as an audition for George Martin to hear only. Martin was indeed very impressed with this new band and their new sound, other than he wasn't at all impressed with their drummer, who he felt couldn't keep a beat and was just a terrible drummer. Martin was 100% correct in that line of thinking and all you have to do is listen to that first take of the song to hear for yourself just how poorly Best played the drums (that take BTW, was thought to be long lost years ago and most of us fans had never heard it before, until it was found and actually released many years later on, on the Anthology 1 CD in 1995. You can hear it if you haven't yet, over at YouTube, but I’m not linking to it since I don’t want to add to the confusion as to what versions we are rating). Thing was, the other 3 Beatles knew that Best wasn't too good a drummer too, and were only letting him stay in the band since they liked his mother, whom allowed the band to practice in her home whenever they wanted to play - at any hour of the day. So they were planning to replace him anyway, even before meeting up with Martin for the first time, and did so without Martin asking them to.

So Ringo Starr was hired to replace Best, who was let go after the demo was made and before they had recorded the first real session of the song, recorded on 4 September 1962, with Ringo now hired and playing the drums at that session. Then on 11 September, 1962, the first recording made with Martin as the producer, and with session drummer Andy White on drums (as he had been already hired to play at/on this official session as a session drummer only, and hired to play before Ringo had joined the band). The band went along with the deal to have White play at the session, as Paul wasn't too happy yet with Ringo's playing, and since the studio had already paid White to play drums at the session, so the band agreed to the arrangement. This very much upset Ringo, but it wasn't like he was now being replaced, Martin just didn't want to be wasting any studio time with a drummer he knew nothing about.

The story behind the recording of this song gets even a bit more confusing at this point, since after these 2 takes of the song, the Beatles first single release of "Please Please Me" had both takes of the song released as one single. Yep, crazy indeed, but that's how the first UK single release of the Beatles song was handled. The Ringo version was released first on a red Parlophone label and days after that the White version was released as the same single - but on a black Parlophone label, and that version was also used on the Please Please Me album. But since the Ringo version was actually released first as the UK single, for this poll we're note that version as the first UK single release - even if in reality, both of them were released as the same single (like I said, totally confusing!). Thing is, both are good, and as you rate them, and this is important - DO NOT vote in these 2 polls as if you're voting in a VS poll! If you like one version over another - well that don't matter here at all. If you feel both are 10s anyway, or 9s, or whatever, you should rate the 2 versions exactly in that same way, in other words, give them the same exact vote, since again, this isn't a VS poll (but with that noted... if you feel one is a 10 and the other one is a 9, then yes, do vote in that matter). But we already did run a VS poll for all 3 versions of this song a few years ago, so that's isn't what we are looking at here today. We are just rating each of these 2 official releases... Now you many ask, why not also rate the inferior Best take, too? Well, that's simple to answer, as the Best take wasn't meant to ever be released, and since it was just made as a demo (and again it wasn't released for over 30 years and perhaps never should have been). At our polls when asking a question like this, such a song is not to ever be rated, as only officially released songs from when the song was made are - and will be, rated in this new Beatle series - just as we do the same in handling the ratings of songs at the Stones rating polls, too.

The lineup for what we are calling the first UK release, and which was also released on the US albums Rarities; Past Masters; and Mono Masters is: Paul McCartney – Harmony Vocals and Bass Guitar; John Lennon – Harmony Vocals and Harmonica; George Harrison – Acoustic Guitar; and Ringo Starr – Drums

For the version released on the LPs Please Please Me and also on The Beatles' Hits, the first US single, and on different compilation albums including 1962–1966 ("The Red Album") and on 1, is: Paul McCartney – Harmony Vocals and Bass Guitar; John Lennon – Harmony Vocals and Harmonica; George Harrison – Acoustic Guitar; Ringo Starr – Tambourine (hard to impossible to hear); with Andy White on the Drums.

To have a listen to these songs and then vote, just click on this link: Beatles Weekly Poll. Once at that page, for voting in the Ringo, UK single version of the song, click on Poll 1, and for the Andy White U.S. take, click on the link to Poll 2.

Two weeks ago at the Beatles poll we answered this question: Which artist(s) made the best cover of the Beatles song “Something”?

“Something” by the Beatles

The poll wasn't close at all, as "Concert for George", which took place in 2002, and was held one year to the day after the world lost Beatle George, and which featured several different artists, all who were friends with George, including the now 2 surviving Beatles, Paul and Ringo, took first place with 63.3% of the vote. To see the full, final results from this poll, just click on here: Beatles Weekly Poll – week 566. Or, you can also check out the results at the Beatles Covers List Page , located at the domain’s Lennon Site.

So that will do it for this week's Poll Post. I thank all of you who either wrote me emails or left comments here and wished me well after my COVID illness. To get this so late into the pandemic and after being so careful in making sure I won't get it, sucked, to say the least. But no, I didn't wear a mask 100% of the time in the last few weeks before I got sick when I was out in public, and I never did so in my home - where I'm pretty sure I got it from my grandson. Now pretty much, everywhere in the U.S. anyway, most locations are lifting the face mask rules. But I feel that it's too soon and I'll keep wearing mine for at least the next month. If things continue to improve at that time, then okay. But I don't think my body can take another round of this COVID thing, and anybody my age (that’s all seniors) who has had this monster inside their bodies, would be total fools to take off their masks right now. It’s too soon to do so, and as I’ve been saying, it doesn’t matter if you get COVID now, cause if and when you get it, it’s still gonna fuck with you and you aren’t gonna like it one bit, and it just might even kill you! Believe me, it’s really bad, indeed.

So do take care, and if you’re smart, you’d keep your masks on for now when out in public buildings. Or you can do what I did and get real sick.

Keno

• Poll Post - for the week starting Monday, Feb 21 by Keno on 2/20/2022 10:07:28 PM <-- You Are Here
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