“You Can't Always Get What You Want” From the Rock n Roll Circus
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Subject: Poll Post for the week starting Monday, Oct 3
Date: Monday, October 03, 2022
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So, with the new week here, it’s time to talk about our 3 new polls in our Poll Post, and as usual we’ll start off looking at the Stones poll, where we enter week 1,209 of this poll and week 100 of rating their songs. This week’s question asks this: Rate the Stones song “You Can't Always Get What You Want” , from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).
“You Can't Always Get What You Want” From the Rock n Roll Circus
This week we were supposed to rate a song from the Mick Taylor years, but as I was looking for one to rate, I realized that there's a few songs that were kind of in between the MT and BJ years of the band that we also needed to rate, and so why don’t we'll rate one of them this week? So the song I chose to have us rate is "You Can't Always Get What You Want". Technically, this one was recorded during the Jones years, near the close of that era, but since BJ didn't play on the studio version of the song (in fact, only 3 of the Stones did - Mick Jagger, Keith Richards and Bill Wyman), it doesn't feel like a BJ era song, even if he did play on an early live take of the tune, back when the band played it for the first time live. But the song was recorded on November 16 and 17, 1968, yet not released for more than a year later, on the Let It Bleed LP, on November 28, 1969, so it actually was released during the Mick Taylor years, but MT doesn't play on it either, since he wasn't to be in the band for almost another 8 full months after the song was recorded.
A few unusual things led to Jones and Watts not playing on “You Can't Always Get What You Want”, along with how one of the guest musicians who played a big part in the song, took shape, too. Brian Jones had his right hand in a cast when this one was being put together, so there was no way he could play on it. But he was still there in the studio when it was being made, and when the band decided to take a lunch break one day, with the song half finished, Brian left the studio and ran into keyboardist/guitarist/producer and all-around musician, and friend, Al Kooper, outside of the studio, and BJ invited him in to play on the track. With that, Kooper became a main contributor to the song, whereas for Jones, bringing Kooper in would be his only real contribution to the number, be it a big one never less, since besides his playing the keys on the track, Kooper's French horn, which opened the song, made the tune stand out and was indeed special to hear.
The reason Charlie didn't drum on the song seemed like almost a power grab by producer (and a drummer himself), Jimmy Miller, who ended up taking over the drum kit after a pissed off Watts waked away from his drums in a huff and told Miller to take over, after Miller kept pushing him to play the drums in a different way, which Charlie didn't wish to play. According to Jagger, Miller was justified in what he was trying to get Watts to do, as MJ stated in an interview that "It (the song) proved to be quite difficult to record because Charlie couldn't play the groove right and so Jimmy Miller had to play the drums on it for him". That seems hard to believe, but whatever.
Having the London Bach Choir sing the backing vocals on the song (and also the song's opening), was Jagger's idea, and which also made the song very different sounding, indeed. In time, Jagger would also note who "Mr. Jimmy" in the song, actually was, after several years of many people guessing and asking this. It turned out it was Jimmy Miller all along. As Mick explained, whenever he had a new idea for a new song, he would run it by Miller first, sometimes even before Keith got to hear it. If Jimmy liked what he heard, he let Mick know; but if he didn't like what he heard, he would only say one single word to Mick, that being, "dead”. This in turn led to Mick writing the line about Mr Jimmy " I sung my song to Mr. Jimmy, yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was 'dead'. I said to him, you can't always get what you want, well no!."
So, the studio lineup for this song was: Mick Jagger - Lead Vocals; Keith Richards - Acoustic and Electric Guitars; Bill Wyman - Bass Guitar; with: Al Kooper - French Horn, Piano, Organ; Rocky Dijon - Maracas and Congas; Jimmy Miller - Drums; Background Vocals - Madeline Bell, Nanette Workman (credited as "Nanette Newman" on the LP, yet nobody seems to know why), Doris Troy, and the London Bach Choir, with the choral arrangements by Jack Nitzsche.
Do note that the link to the song at the voting page, as usual, contains a link to the song so you can hear it before you vote. But as is often the case, I linked to a live take of the song (played live by the band just 3 weeks after the song was recorded in the studio) instead of linking to the actual studio version of it that we are rating. The only real difference of this excellent live take from the Rock n Roll Circus concert, was that there's no choir singing the backing vocals on it, the only real thing missing, well, that - and the excellent French horn and the organ playing that Kooper performed in the studio, since he wasn't there that night. But, if you rather hear the actual studio cut of the song that we are rating, or if you want to hear both of them, here’s a link to the lyric video: 'YCAGWYW’ studio cut. But if you do watch the live video (again, linked to at the voting page), the lineup you will see playing there is: Jagger on the Vocals, Richards on the Lead Guitar, Jones on the Rhythm Guitar (with his hand just out of the cast a week earlier), Wyman on Bass, Watts on the Drums (and he sounds fine playing the drums here, IMO!), with Nicky Hopkins on the Piano and Rocky Dijon on the Percussion…. To rate this week’s song, just click on the following link: Stones Weekly Poll.
Last week at the Stones poll we voted on and rated this: Rate the Stones song “She's a Rainbow” , from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).
“She's a Rainbow” From the official Lyric Video of the song
Yes, you already knew that this one was gonna see a top rating of a 10 as soon as you saw the question last week, and of course it scored just that, with 64.2% of the votes cast. To check out the Stones song's rating standings and see where in the standings this one landed, click on this link: Stones Song Ratings & Standings - List Page 5. Or, to see the full, finial vote tally from this poll itself, just click here: Stones Weekly Poll - week 1,208.
Time now to move on to this week’s Classic Rock Poll, where we enter week 848 of polling, and this week we have a brand new question that asks this: Of the altered lyrics found in rock songs, that were forced on the artist due to censorship, what song was ruined the most by this action?.
One of the songs and its original lyric that’s listed in this week’s poll
(First, for this week's Rock Poll, make sure you read the last 3 paragraphs down below where this rock poll is being talked about, before you vote, for info on where to find all of this week's full choices, as they are noted in those last paragraphs.)
This week we are looking at censored songs in a different light, that is, we'll look at songs that had their lyrics altered by censors (most of the time so that the songs could be played on the radio). Often, the artists didn't know about their lyrics being altered until after the fact and without their permission to change anything. There were 19 such songs that I can think of or find on the net that fit this question. Now do note that songs that were banned because of their lyrics - but never had their lyrics altered, and therefor never got played over the airways, aren't a part of this poll, or there would be a lot more songs to add to the list.
Because of space issues in the old poll admin that runs our polls, only five of the 19 songs listed this week had enough room to where the full description of why the song was edited by censors, is noted. When this rare problem happens and it's impossible for me to totally word or reword a poll choice to get it to fit in the poll admin, I have no choice but to get out the old – and what I call - "the Violin page", and list the poll’s choices’ descriptions there instead. But, why call it the Violin page, you may ask? Well, back when this space issue first popped up in September of 2012, it happened in a poll looking for our favorite violin heard in a rock song. So, when I put the page together, so I could have a place to write up the choices' full description on the page without any edits, I made the URL's address "http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/violin.htm", not thinking that I might need to use the page again in the future for another poll. But it just so happens that, counting this week, I have now used this page for 11 different poll questions!
Just one last note on this... For this week's poll, where the poll's choices didn't have any issue with space (that's just 5 of this week's 19 choices), those songs’ description are still shown on the poll's voting page. For the 14 other songs that do have a space issue, their description shows up on the Violin page noted above, while at the poll's voting page, a special link is set up there for each affected song under "info", that will get you to the Violin page. But the links only work at the poll’s results page, therefore, so you can get to this special page first (and before you vote), the usual direct link that I link you to the voting page at both the Stones and Rock home pages, are different this week. Just don’t be fooled by that. But if you usually vote via the Poll Menu, for this poll don’t do that this week and use the link I send you to below and vote from that link instead for this week.
Now, don’t forget to read the descriptions for the 5 songs that do show at the voting page, since they aren't listed on that special Violin page, and you don't want to miss reading about them before you vote!
Okay, to vote in this week's Rock poll and to see the songs choices and the links to the Violin page and see the 19 songs listed this week, just click on the following link: Classic Rock Poll .
Last week at the Rock poll we answered this question: What was the best rock song written about a band member(s) by a fellow or former band member (Part 3 of 3).
The bandmates noted in the three most voted on songs from this poll
The top 3 songs picked from this multi week poll was: (1)“The Needle and the Damage Done’ - Neil Young - wrote this about his Crazy Horse guitarist Danny Whitten’s addiction and subsequent overdose death from heroin. (257 votes and 7.8% of the votes); (2) Shine a Light - Rolling Stones - Mick Jagger sings goodbye to the Stones founder, Brian Jones, after his death (256 votes and 7.8% of the votes); (3)“Shine On You Crazy Diamond” - Pink Floyd – Written about their original bandleader/frontman Syd Barrett, who had mental issues which made him leave the band for good early on (254 votes and 7.7% of the votes).
To see the full results from this poll, just click on the following link: Classic Rock Poll, week 847. Note: I still need to get the Top 10 results on to one of the Top 10 pages, but because I won't get to doing that until sometime on Monday, I'll set up a new link to it at that time and then make a reply post about it so you can visit it once it's up.
Let’s finish up the Poll Post as usual with this week’s Beatles Poll, where we enter week 599 of voting along with week 33 of rating the Beatles’ songs. For this week we ask: Rate the Beatles song, “This Boy”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).
“This Boy” Photo taken from the song’s video
"This Boy" was written by John Lennon in early 1963 and credited to the Lennon/McCartney partnership and recorded on October 17, 1963. It was released in November of 1963 in the UK as the B-side single to "I Want to Hold Your Hand". In the U.S., it was issued in January, 1964, on the Beatles second U.S. LP, Meet the Beatles! . Do note that a second, instrumental version of the song, retitled "Ringo's Theme (This Boy)", was played in the Beatles movie and included on the movie's soundtrack album, but none of the Beatles played on that version of the song and no, it's not what we are rating this week, or what we will ever rate (since it’s not the Fabs playing on the song).
"This Boy" is mainly sung in 3-part harmony and made it to #53 on the U.S. charts as a B side single. In Canada, the only place where it was released as an A side single, it went all the way to #1. The lineup for this one was: John Lennon – Lead Vocal, Acoustic Guitar; Paul McCartney – Harmony Vocal, Bass Guitar; George Harrison – Harmony Vocal, Electric Guitar; Ringo Starr – Drums. To vote in this week's Beatles poll and rate this song, just click on this link: Beatles Weekly Poll.
Last week at the Beatles poll we answered this question: Rate the Beatles song, “Hey Bulldog”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).
“Hey Bulldog” Photo taken from the song’s video
“Hey Bulldog” saw a 10 rating for its top spot, taking 62.4% of the vote. To see the full, final results from this poll, just click on here: Beatles Weekly Poll – week 598. Plus, you can also check out the results at the Beatle song standings page. To get there, just click on here: The Beatles Song Ratings and Standings page.
So that does it for this week’s Poll Post. For my little mumbo jumbo to close out this post for this week with, well, if you recall, I had bitched here 2 or 3 weeks ago about the local ground squirrels raiding and eating up most of my veggie garden. So, what did the little bastards do this past week? Well, my garden is now all closed up for the season, but the squirrels are still causing problems around my house, as this time they attacked my weather station! Now why would they do that you may ask? Well, let me first back up here…. Actually, it wasn’t my home and online weather station that they went after, but the other, offline weather station that I have but don’t own, as Uncle Sam owns that one, since it’s the official NWS weather station, which is also located at my home, and which I operated, since, as most of you know, I’m the official NWS weather person for my town and for about a 50 mile area in Colorado (it’s my last official job that I still work at, after retiring from writing at the local newspaper on October 1). Anyway, since the U.S. government is very cheap when it comes to funding agencies like the NWS, and unlike the wireless weather station that I have, the NWS stations are all real old and aren’t wireless, as they are still using 1970s weather equipment. So, the still hungry squirrels decided to try eating the main wire coming from the station and that goes into my home. Most of that wire is underground, but where it comes up from the ground, they chewed up and disconnected the entire wire at its junction box! Since the main weather office that I work for is almost 4 hours away, they had to send one of their techs here to fix it and try to make it squirrel proof. So that was what I dealt with one day last week... Yes, the exciting life of an almost totally retired old man, I guess.
I do hope all of you have a happy and healthy week ahead!
Keno
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