“It’s a Wonderful Keno’s Life”
Note: This post was made by Starbuck soon after
webmaster Keno posted that he may have to close down Gasland back in 2003. Many claim this
post helped save Gasx3 and is the best post ever made in Gasland. The replies are an
important part of this thread, a link is provided to them at the bottom of the page.
“It’s a
Wonderful Keno’s Life”
by Starbuck
Our
story opens with a lone solitary figure standing on the only bridge leading into the
sleepy little hamlet of stonesford falls,
However,
a strange twist of events in keno’s life of late has made him question whether or not
running the gasland savings and loan is really worth it. The town’s local
millionaire, sir stonesalot potter, had been looking to get his dastardly paws into the
savings & loan for years. A careless mistake by keno’s forgetful uncle marko
provided that opportunity: after a six pack of Olympia and an altercation with stonesalot
in the lobby of the local bank, uncle marko unwittingly dropped a major bank deposit of
cash and a flask of keno’s best hooch into sir stonesalot’s lap. The cash was
keno’s monthly mortgage for gasland, and the hooch was, well, hooch. Realizing uncle
marko’s mistake, sir stonesalot absconded with the hooch- and the deposit-and poor
uncle marko, having lost everything, was forced to break the news to keno.
“What?!” screamed Keno. “You lost my best hooch?! Marko, you crazy old man,
how could you?!?”
The
loss of keno’s hooch, not to mention the $$ that would result in stonesalot’s
imminent foreclosure of gasland, sent keno into a tailspin. He headed home to his lovely
wife gindamary and their wonderful children, 2000boy, steady rolling walkman, sahaira and
little joey C10. joey was sick in bed because his teacher mr. Steelie sent him home
without a hat on and he caught cold. In a fit of rage, keno called up mr steelie and
ripped him a new one, not so much for the cold but for the fact that mr steelie taped a
sign to the back of little joey that read “hatless honkie hick LOL!!”. After the
phone conversation, the tensions began to rise in the keno household. Then, keno screamed
at SRW, who was over in the corner with his Gibson trying to figure out MT’s solo
from “Can’t you hear me knockin’”. “Cut that out!”hollered
keno. “CUT THAT OUT!!” and ran out the door into the night.
Keno
hopped into his Porsche and headed downtown. On the way, he stopped off at the local bar
to drown his sorrows in a Guinness. After a few, keno was approached by none other than
mr. Steelie, little joey’s teacher. “scream at me on the phone, will you?”
steelie bellowed, and punched keno straight on in the face. Keno got up and ran outside to
his car, peeling away from the bar with lightning speed. Unfortunately, keno’s
reaction time was a bit dulled because of the few guinesses, and he rammed his car into a
tree. Just about at the breaking point, keno headed for the bridge, the only way out of
stonesford falls. It is here that we find him now.
However,
just then some amazing things were happening in another part of this vast universe.
Hearing the numerous entreaties from other residents of stonesford falls (see Gasland
post: ‘what if there was no more gasland’), the Big Guy (not keith) decided to
intervene. Sending for his angel most qualified for the difficult task ahead, the Big Guy
(not keith) summoned none other than our old pal Brian Jones (RIP). The Big Guy (not
keith) filled in brian on keno’s situation. “Oh yes, Big Guy (not keith).
I’m quite familiar with keno’s situation, as I’ve been following his work
for many years. Thanks to him, countless stones fans, both of the casual and rabid
varieties, have been able to meet in his savings and loan and learn and discuss the
world’s greatest rock n roll band ever. Many of them have developed long and lasting
relationships with each other. Oh yes, Big Guy (not keith). I know of keno.”
“well, brian,” said the Big Guy (not keith). “I am putting him in your
charge. Good luck!”
Back at
the bridge, keno was leaning on the guard rail, staring down into the dark, muddy waters
as the snow fell all around him. All of a sudden, he heard a tremendous splash and saw a
small blonde haired figure flailing about in the frigid waters below. Not thinking of any
potential bodily harm, he threw himself over the bridge and into the water, rescuing the
lone swimmer. Pulling him to shore, he realized that it was brian jones! “Brian!
You’re supposed to be….dead!” said keno in amazement. “Yeah, my last
swimming venture didn’t end too well,” brian said, “but you saved me on
this one!”
They
wandered into the guardhouse on the bridge to warm their clothes. “Brian, I just
don’t understand it,” keno confessed. “I work my fingers to the bone for
years making gasland a wonderful place to exchange ideas with other stones fans, and for
inexperienced fans to learn more about their favorite band from those of us who’ve
been following them for forty years. But then we get obnoxious posters who suck up my time
and make me have to clean up their shit. And hey, I’m maintaining the site at my own
personal expense. Sometimes I woner….is it all worth it? Heck, sometimes I wish
gasland had never been born…..”
This
gave brian an idea. He looked up and muttered something to the Big Guy (not keith), and
then looked back at keno. He paused. “keno, you have your wish. Gasland was never
born.” Just then, a gust of wind blew the door of the guardhouse open, startling
keno. He stepped outside. “Gee, it stopped snowing all of a sudden. That’s
weird.” he said to himself. He and brian started to make their way back towards town.
However, some strange things caught keno’s eye on the way back to town. He noticed
that the sign that used to read “stonesford falls” now read
“pepperland”. He was aghast! In a state of mild confusion, he wandered back past
where he had crashed his car. It was not there!
“What
is going on here?!” he asked brian. “my car is gone, someone has changed the
town sign, and hey, you’re supposed to be dead!” “Keno, I have been trying
to tell you. I’ve been sent here to give you a wonderful opportunity, to show you how
many people’s lives you’ve affected by your work here. Without your efforts,
gasland was never born, and all of this little corner of cyberspace was bought up by some
sort of beatle consortium started by some lawyer dude from
Brian
and keno proceeded on towards town. On the way, he bumped into many familiar faces. On a
park bench next to where the monument to Charlie watts used to stand (it had been replaced
by a bronze likeness of ringo starr), sat factory girl and ~~~ in complete silence,
waiting for the next bus. “factory girl! ~~~! What is the matter? Don’t you
recognize each other?” cried keno. “toTaLLyriGhTeOUs caT sTEvenslkEdudE!”
retorted ~~Q. “I diG your shiRt, buT I haVE noEyEdeer who YoU aRE!”
“I
don’t understand,” keno said to brian as they continued into town. “are ~Q
and factory girl fighting or what?” “no keno,” replied brian. “without
gasland, Q and FG were never able to meet. They are complete strangers to each
other.”
They
happened upon a dank, seedy bar called ‘elanor rigby’s’. “hey, this
place used to be called ‘angie’s’” keno said. “I know the owner-
fleabit peanut monkey. It was because of my savings and loan that he was able to build the
place.” Brian and keno went in and asked for FPM, but the bartender did not look
impressed. “he’s over in the corner. Are you his ride? That guy’s gotta get
home quick!”
“FPM,
its me-keno!” keno said to fleabit, but fleabit was far too gassed to respond
coherently. He had already consumed two pitchers of busch light, a margaritia and three
glasses of “sex on the beach”. “fleabit, come to! What’s the matter?
How was
keno
ran out of the bar, extremely agitated. “what is happening to me? What is going on?
Brian, help me out! You have to tell me: where is ginda? Where is my wife?” a look of
concern flashed across brian’s face. Keno knew something was wrong. “brain, you
have to tell me!” “Keno, you’re not going to like it. Without your expert
tutelage, ginda ended up marrying a don
“Nooooo!!!”
screamed keno, running down the street. He ran and ran, leaving brian behind. He
eventually wound up back at the bridge, right where he started. “I want my life back!
I want gasland to stay right were it is, where it will continue to influence the younger
generation of stones fans about the greatest rock n roll band in history……”
the
snow started to fall. The wind died down. All of a sudden, a police car pulled up. Out
hopped officers Pdog & starbuck. “Hey…..keno?!” yelled Pdog, “is
that you?” Keno looked up. “P?” he said.
“Geez,
keno! We’ve been looking all over for you!” said Starbuck. “We got a call
from ginda that said you took off in a huff, and she’s been worried sick about you.
What happened?”
“Starbuck?!
You guys know me?!” said keno. “of course I know you keno,” Starbuck said.
“It was because of gasland that I developed a taste for the ron wood era, especially
tattoo you. I’d always been a mick
“WOOHOOO!!!!”
screamed keno, and he ran off down the street, abandoning starbuck & pdog. “what
got into him?” starbuck asked. “I dunno…must have found his hooch
flask,” pdog replied.
Keno
ran throughout stonesford falls, hooping and hollering at the top of his lungs.
“Hello, gasland savings & loan! Hello, Angie’s!” Keno stopped at the
bronze statue of Charlie watts at the center of town, where ~Q & FG were deeply
embroiled in a discussion about the lyrics to “starfucker”. “no, its tasty
foam, not taste the foam,” FG was saying to ~~. “helloooo ladies!” said
keno. “maJorLY hapPy kENo mY mAn!!!!” said Q. “WeeeeEEeee LovE yoU and alL
U DooO!”
Keno
raced home as fast as his legs could carry him. Little did he know that while he was out,
the entire town had gathered at his house to show their support for him and gasland. All
the members of the town came to contribute, and enough spare change had been gathered to
pay off the debt to stonesalot potter. When keno came through the door, the whole crowd
let out a cheer. Everyone was there, from sean to tysteel (what ever happened to that
guy?) to paypone al and everyone inbetween. Josh wainright even called from
Racing
up the stairs, keno ran to ginda. “what do you think of the eagles?!” he
exclaimed. “they suck!” she replied. Indeed, everything was back to normal.
Meanwhile, SRW had mastered the MT solo, and the whole town began to sing stones carols
arm in arm. And right as the crowd was belting out the chorus to sweet
“thanks
brian!”
And
they all lived happily ever after.
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All Gassers will end up in Hell
by Christian Lurker (March 5, 2004)
The
band you love, the Rolling Stones, are leading all of you into Hell. I have been lurking
at this board, and two other Stones boards, for about 3 months now. This one is by far the
worst, not to say the other boards I've been reading are really any better, as every
Stones fan is doomed. But here at this board the anti-Jesus, anti-God, and pro-Jewish
posts and replies are by far the worst I've seen anywhere. To the Jews and non Christians
here, you will not get into Heaven if you don't believe in Jesus. To the few here who
claim to be Christians, your chances of getting into heaven are slim, unless you change
your life now and stay as far away from this devil loving band, the Rolling Stones, and
start to read your Bible everyday.
Yes,
I've been studying this place along with several other sites for rock bands like AC/DC. I
knew all along that the Stones were into the Devil, and their followers were in danger,
but until I started to read this place, I didn't know just how bad Satan has you all in
his grip. Please understand that my post here is not meant as spam, but to plead with you
all to save yourself before it's too late.
Mick
Jagger is into the Devil and anyone of you who think songs like Sympathy For the Devil,
Pain It Black, etc. are not about the Devil, well your all lost! About all I can agree
with any of you here about this man is that no, he isn't no "sir", that is for
sure! His best friend, Keith Richards is a devoted believer in Voodoo and like Jagger,
loves Satan. He not only does illegal drugs, but encourages his fans to do the same. Ron
Wood is another who thinks it's better to have a party than to serve the Lord. You all
know about the child molester Bill Wyman, and Charlie Watts, he seems like a good man, but
that is not the true man that he really is, as he has a dark side too. The fact that he's
in the Stones right there proves it. Then you have the late Brian Jones, who had the
numbers "666" on his car's license plates, and like his friends Mick and Keith,
was into Devil worshiping. He had countless bastard children who he never supported or
loved, beat on their mothers who he would never marry, did more drugs than even Richards,
and was a overall bad person who more than likely took his own life. You can bet he is in
Hell waiting for his friends and fans to show up to join him.
Then
there is all of you, the fans of this rock band. Again, you will end up in Hell unless you
change your ways real fast. You all talk about your families here, they too have no hope
if you don't do something now. There are a few Christians here who are beat up everyday by
the rest of you. The truth is, they need to stay away from this hellhole if they know what
is better for them. You cannot be a good Christians and get into God's heaven if you like
rock bands like the Stones, period! Then there are the others here who are doomed. Take
the two Jews who post, Steel Wls and Josh. At least in the case of Steel Wls he seems to
understand the good in our President Bush, but believing in Gay rights, the Stones, and
not believing in Jesus will not get you into the promised land. This Josh fellow, if he
really is a lawyer, is about the lowest form of humanity as there can be. All that matters
to him is money, he don't care about his family, and lives to put all of his fellow man
down, unless they are Jews. There in no question a place in Hell is awaiting him. Then
there are you other Gassers. She Rat is a pagan and admits it, what more do I need to say,
PDog is about as anti Christian, anti-God as any one else here. He is proud that his young
son is into punk bands, I can only wonder how this poor child will turn out, more than
likely as bad as his father. Then other parents here who are leading their children into
Hell would be the likes of 2000 Man, Dano, ~TaStYFoAm (I find it hard that she claims
she's a Christian), Demon Life, Stones73, Ginda, Sirmoonie, and any of you who have
children. I'm surprised those above even talk about their kids here, you should all be
ashamed and I can only hope they don't follow in their parents' footsteps. Also please
understand that I've left out many other Gassers here, but anyone who hangs out at this
place, or any of the other Stones boards, need to repent now.
I've
left the webmaster, Keno, for last, since he runs this haven for Satan. If anyone is to be
doomed besides the Stones, it's you Keno. You not only allow this board to post
anti-Christian, anti-Jesus points of views, but you put down and censor those who try to
counter this blasphemy. I did find the hidden link to your personal web home page on your
John Lennon site (yet another late rocker now in Hell). I'm glad it's hidden, good
Christian people don't need to be exposed to something so sinful. I see you like to make
fun of Christians there, where do you think that will get you? Just like your friends and
their families who post here, I fear for your family too. I've seen the photos you have of
your children up on your web page; they are all very good looking, the little ones seem so
beautiful and innocent, but with you as their parent, they are doomed (How could you name
your son afer Keith Richards anyway?). The things you believe in - and don't believe in,
will affect them. You think it's good to raise your children as Atheists? You think it's
healthy to practice Naturism? It's bad enough adults practice this perverted lifestyle,
but why they drag their children into it is beyond me! I would bet that most children who
take part in Naturism are more than likely being molested by others and will grow up to be
molesters too when they reach adulthood. The fact that you also accept Gays as friends
endangers your children also. Plus, that town you live in, my gosh, I didn't think there
could be a place as awful as
I hope
most of you will get to read this post before Keno deletes it, as I know he will. Again,
I'm not a spammer, and this is my first and last post here, as I'm done studying you
sinful people. But you can be saved if you just believe in Jesus, and read your Bible! For
the sake of your children, or the entire world, please consider doing this. God does love
even sinner and he does forgive. You can still make it into Heaven if you really change.
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Here’s to all you Senior Citizens
by Sticky Finger (April 9, 1999)
I'm
a young stones fan of nineteen years young. I'm tired of hearing about all your bull shit
about B2B. None of you old farts appreciate an album like this because your brains have
fried out because of all those freakin drugs you used in the sixties and seventies. I'm
also tired of hearing that Let It Bleed and Beggars Banquet are the best Stones albums.
I
and went out and bought those cd's after reading your reviews. I couldn't believe how
overrated songs like "Gimme Shelter", "Monkey Man", and "Midnigh
Rambler". The 40 second instrumentals to those songs is whats good about about them
nad thats it. The only solid good songs were "country honk" and "You Can't
Always get What You want". Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed don't have the fire and
spunk like StickyFingers, Exile, Some Girls, IORR, and, Tattoo You. None of you give
Tattoo you any credit even though it was the most successful album the Stones ever put
out. The only good songs on BB are Sympathy, Parachute, and Prodigal Son. The rest is
jangly nonsense. Let It Bleed and Beggars Banquet are good but not as good as you say.
Also on the song of Any Body Seen My Baby. I bought B2B because i heard that song. That
song, and the album changed alot of my friends' image of the Stones. None of them thought
the Stones could put out music like that. The stones are not trying to be hip they just
want to show everyone they can play any style they want. And play it good. The reason why
it didn't sell is because none of the radio stations ever played any of the singles accept
maybe once. Or it could be because i live in
Replies:
LadyBear
You need help. Other posters have
been very kind to you, feeling that at nineteen you simply lack maturity to recognize what
is 'jangly nonsense' and what isn't. I got this music at fourteen! I bought Beggar's
Banquet with my goddamn allowance money, wore a groove in the vinyl(yes this way way way
back when you could buy records, like in '83! Ya know, when Jesus was a cub scout?) within
a year! Don't call yourself a Stones fan if you can't appreciate SFM and No Expectations.
And if Stray Cat Blues make no impression on your supposedly hormonally charged
nineteen-year old self, I pity you.
I completely agree with Keno's
note about off-topic religious posting, BUT in this case I have to make an exception. Just
how in the HELL in SOM anti-Jesus? Instead of thumping your Bible, why don't you read it?
Sadly too many Xtians mouth off a lot, but don't have any clue about their own history.
And another thing, the Stones and their spiritual beliefs(or lack thereof) is not your
damn business. It's their business, and no one else's. No one's spiritual beliefs are any
of your damn business.
Water Rat
B2B
was a good album. But to fairly judge the albums and songs your ranting about you need to
calm down turbo. Go get yourself a few videos . " L&G the Rolling Stones",
"CS Blues", and a few Boot legs from these very explosive years. I'm sorry that
you were not (on this planet) born and yet to experience the times and feelings of the day
when Let It Bleed and Beggars Banquet were new. This seems to very upsetting to you. Get
yourself some help before ya do anymore damage . "The
world was different place" is and understatement!
At
that time, to see (also part of the over all experience) and hear these songs live was
something just short or the second coming. If you think Jagger has some moves now, Hold
onto your socks. The above videos get my blood >going STILL, as well yours if you take
a look. Imagine this live!
There
is help. Get mommy and daddy to take you to a stones show. Get near the B-Stage. Wait for
the second of three songs. That's right "Midnight Rambler" that over rated song
you popped off about) . The best live song in the set. And tell me that lie again about
the song being over rated and it does nothing to you. Being 10 feet from MJ when he's
prowling every FUCKING inch of the small stage belting out
"every-body-got-ta-go". YOU- really should have been there. Mick was (still is)
amazing. Throwing water, swinging over the crowd on a rope, throwing rose petals, moving
like he still does, only quicker and WAY more intense. You have no idea what this did to
me as a kid half your age. In short - YOU have no clue.
PS -
Love to here back from you. I'll even make you a copy of the
Above mentioned videos. Get back to the Rat, send me a couple bucks to cover the cost of
shipping and tapes and lets start the healing process. WR out!
Keno
>I'm a young stones fan of nineteen years young.
I think the key word in your
opening sentence is the fact that you are 19 years "young", and not old. As
already pointed out by a few below, you do need to grow up more and we don't mean that as
a insult. There is nothing more that makes me happy than to see a young kid who claims to
love the Stones. But from what you write it doesn't seem like you really love them. You
need to understand what went on in the 1960s to understand what rock music meant back then
and why an album like Beggars Banquet was such a hit and still is today. You also need to
open your eyes on the truth of drugs and those of us who were caught up in that mess we
call the '60s. Open your eyes and see the light. There is a lot to look back on. Just
don't putdown what you don't know or understand. The early part of your post seemed to be
more of a putdown of the babyboom generation Stones fans. We really are good people. So
most of us did drugs, your generation does too. That will never change no matter what the
laws of the land are, which for the most part are unjust. Yes, your mind needs to grow
some more. Time will help, it is on your side. You will see that light and grow. Then
maybe you will understand where BB & Let It Bleed are coming from and why they are
great albums.
One last thing. I do like
different viewpoints here and welcome them. Saturdays for the most part are dead around
here and I thank you for waking everyone up and getting them to post on a slow day. But
there is one thing that I would rather not see at this board, that being off topic stuff.
I don't have a problem with your comment on SOM (but I don't agree its anit-Jesus). But
please leave your praising of jesus for your church, some of us here are non believers and
if anyone wants to talk about that, then go to the proper newsgroups/boards to voice our
views on it there - not here.
Lord Voodoo
I hope your not serious. I'm not
that much older than you and I think Beggars is probably greatest album ever made. B2B is
a peice of garbage, and oh yeah, you need to listen to those albums more than once, and
turn down that TV while you do. Also, I know society tells you not, but smoke 40 packs of
cigarettes and drink a handle of JD and then you'll maybe understand what the stones were
thinking. I'd suggest you also get addicted to coke and herroine, but that's really not a
great idea.
Maxmeister
First
of all you and I have had something in common, that being 19 and just positive we knew
what was right and everyone with a different opinion or idea Had to be wrong. Another
thing we had in common, we didn't have a clue. Life experiences, education and maturity,
will help so don't worry. Personnaly, I liked B2B. even though the boys strayed on a lot
of the songs. But, you have never seen a post from me berrating someone for NOT liking it.
By the way, I live in Houston and heard ASMB and SOM a fair number of times. I only listen
to 104, 107.5 and 101, no oldies. SOM is not anti Jesus, your myopic view is totally off
track. If you're a redneck in addition to being 19, I'll say a prayer for you. If you
insist on calling yourself a Stones fan, gain the knowledge, learn about their beginnings,
their lifesyles over the years, what truly influenced their music. There are a multitude
of books which will give you insight on the individuals as well as their songs and albums.
Open your mind, its a terrible thing to waste. Experience the boys in concert playing some
of the songs you dislike, you will adjust your attitude or stay a pretender. So much for
the diatribe, I have a plane to catch this aft. for
2000 Man
The reason you don't like
Beggar's Banquet is simple. You have no appreciation of history. Beggar's Banquet is an
absolutely amazing feat. The Stones were coming off two albums considered by many to be in
a class as your beloved B2B. Then they put out Beggar's Banquet, a very primal roots music
album. How can you not marvel at the beauty of the layers of acoustic guitars on Street
Fighting Man, or Jagger's attitude that country music should be funny, while Keith gets
the band to musically honor every pre-fifties country artist musically with Dear Doctor?
You are nineteen years old, and you don't understand simple concepts like the pleasure of
waiting for a girl to get off of work while you're standing in the rain. Beggar's Banquet
is an old album, with old lyrical and musical ideas, but it was made by young men that GOT
IT.
You just don't get it. Go be a U2
fan. Either that or understand where things come from before you open your young, stoopid
mouth. You are ignorant.
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One
Litre Beers
by Currie (April 21. 2007)
I think there's something nice about 1 litre beers, brewed by the house, going for 8.50. It allows you to get good on a budget.
Bootlegs though. Crucial. My search for bootlegs began with my obsession with the song "Midnight Rambler." I sought live versions. But the only one I found was the Ya-yas version. So I thought to myself, surely there must be other live recordings. Thus I plunged into the world of bootlegs.
Ironically my first bootleg contained no Rambler and I hated it the first time I heard it. Passaic 78'- the songs didn't even sound like they did on record! So I was ignorant to think that they were bad, and the stones were a bad live band.
Of course once I relistened to the bootleg I began to appreciate the brilliance of it and all bootlegs. Here was a band, sloppy, drunk, imperfect, and yet they sounded more alive than any record.
There are certain songs which are utterly surpassed by their live versions. Midnight Rambler, You Gotta Move, Back Of My Hand, Out of Control, Jumpin Jack Flash, WHen the Whip Comes Down, Fool To Cry... After hearing them live, hearing them on record is never quite the same.
Part of it is fanaticism. We love one band more than any other, and in order to keep this interest, we listen to bootlegs from years back and can say "Well, I thought Fort Worth 78' was a weaker show than Memphis 78 because even though Ronnie was on fire at Fort Worth, the band was better at Memphis, and the recording was too." This is the sort of extreme overanalysis bootlegs make possible. Rather than having about 25 studio albums to analyse, we have hundreds.
Fuck some night there's a groove present in certain songs. Like Tumbling Dice. There'll be a reggae groove in some of the performances, and mick jagger'll add a little reggae tinge to some of his vocals sometimes. Or maybe the guitarists'll fuck up totally, and Stu'll have to cover the rhythm guitar part in the breakdown, and then Jagger'll yell "C'mon, lets get our shit together now" (on an 81 bootleg, either philly or SF)...and if you're not into bootlegs, you're missing that.
They're for the insatiable, those who seek to overanalyse, those who want almost everything that's listenable. And why not? Who cares if you only listen to it once? In that two hour span of listening, you'll here something that you'll have never heard before, and will be unique from every other recording you've ever heard.
Going back to Rambler. Bootlegs are worth getting if only because of Rambler. I've heard dozens of versions, and could tell you which versions are good for which reasons, which have interesting little tidbits, on which one Charlie drums best, where Keith is better, where Ronnie's slide is more haunting. If I didn't listen to bootlegs, I would not experience any of that richness, any of that depth.
SO because of my search deep into bootlegs, I've fulfilled my goal of finding many different Ramblers. This might make me crazy, overzealous, or obsessed, but I cherish every second of those 15 minute Midnight Ramblers. And how else would I get them without bootlegs?
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38 years
by
Payphone
Al (
Humor
me today and take a trip with me back to
I had
older friends that were going and coming back from a war taking place halfway around the
world. I saw the changes that weighed heavily on the returning vets who lived the horrors
of war. It helped me understand the moments when my father, a WW2 Vet, would go silent and
just stare into space. Something had to be done and we had the numbers, we had the voice
and we had peace in our hearts.
I
became heavily involved in the peace movement. I traveled for the gatherings taking place
in the
Can you
believe what that pig Nixon did??? He escalated the war!!!! Sending bombers into
Colleges
across the country were filled with students who mobilized to vent their frustration about
the expansion of the war. A united voice must be heard, loud enough to be heard even in
the halls and back rooms of the White House. I was on the campus of the
As I
said earlier, Spring had sprung in the
Saturday
night, a group of students marched on the old ROTC building on campus that was condemned
and scheduled for demolition. Feeling their oats, several students tried to light the
building on fire. This is were details start getting sketchy. The fire department did
respond, but had to pull back due to rock throwing by the mob. However, the mob tired of
the game and retreated which allowed the fire department to take control of the property
and put out the fire. That the fire was extinguished is confirmed by firemen on the scene.
The students left the area, did a loop around campus gathering a crowd and returned to the
ROTC building to find it, much to their surprise, totally engulfed in flames with the fire
department watching the destruction of the building. Unrelated to the burning of the
building, the National Guard was rolling into town in response to the breaking of windows
from Friday night. However, they did not stop in town. They rolled right on to the campus
and set up camp. Bringing armed military presence on a collage campus enraged with the
military machine seemed like a good idea to someone. The
Sunday
brought the rattling of swords from the Establishment. The Governor came into town and
announced, “This is the most vicious form of campus-oriented violence yet perpetrated
by dissident groups and their allies in the state of
Come
Monday, there were other outside agitators on campus besides the 800 plus troops of the
National Guard. Several non-student members of various peace groups were present as well
as at least 50 FBI agents and/or paid informants of the FBI enrolled as students to spy on
other students and their activities. As was the case on collage campuses across the
country, the students at
About
2,000 students were gathered in the area for the
Movement
and skirmishes occurred over the next 45 minutes or so. Then came that moment in time
that, no matter how hard you wish, can never be taken back.
The
Guardsmen had marched down to an area that was surrounded on three sides by a fence.
Knowing that was a poor position to maintain, they reversed direction and marched back up
a hill with maybe 10 to 20 students following behind, the closest about 60 feet away.
Fearing for their lives because of the verbal assault being inflected on them, 28
Guardsmen turned in unison, leveled their M-1 military rifles and fired indiscriminately
into the students. Thirteen seconds the volley continued with 67 rounds flying through the
air.
I
don’t have to detail how hot bullets rip the flesh, damage internal organs and bones,
remove body matter or snatch the life from a person. Nor do I need to describe the fatal
shots to the dead. When all was said and done, 9 students were wounded and 4 were dead.
The crimes of 2 of the dead students was that they were walking to their afternoon
classes. The dead laid 340 feet to 390 feet away from the shooters that were in fear for
their lives. The names of the dead need to be remembered by me today...
Allison
Krause - Age: 19
In a
tragedy such as this, blame is a wasted effort. Commissions were formed and law suits
filed with little results. Many lives were devastated, including those shooting from the
top of the field and those that watched the victims take the last breaths of their short
lives on some collage asphalt parking lot during a warm spring day in
I felt
a disconnect when hearing the news that night. Hope, Peace and Happiness became a hallow
concept for me. The Peace Movement was never the same for me, and many others, from that
moment on. The stakes had been risen and would continue to rise ten days later when
innocent people were killed and wounded at
Now we
are 38 years later. We are in a war that does not have the support of the majority of the
citizens of the country wagering that war. And just like 38 years ago, the Administration
does not care what the populace thinks or wants. But what has changed, instead of using
bullets to quell the rabble, the powers that be control the masses by taking away their
civil rights and using fear to keep them in line. Allison, William, Jeffery and Sandra,
I’m sorry that a whole generation, and me, let you down.
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I Demand Satisfaction
by Travellin’ Man (
For
years I thought this was a respectable site to post about my obsession with the Stones,
but this will be the last time I post here unless the bastard or bitch who is responsible
for this pain in my heart comes forth and admits what they have done! Something happened
to me yesterday, and it is one of the worst things I've ever experienced in my life! If
you need me to explain what it was then you had nothing to do with this sad day. Suffice
it to say it is both complicated, and terrifying, and to give details would be premature
at this point, but anyway you look at it, I have been wronged here! Little by little it
has gotten worse until now it is completely out of control! I wish I knew who the guilty
party is because I am ready to fight and they truly deserve to feel the back of my hand!
That's right, I've had it with you, whoever the hell, you are! You think it is all about
you! Don't you? Look what you've done! I feel awful and my nerves are shattered. I think
I'm going mad!
I have
mixed emotions about leaving here, but I gotta get away for a long long while because I
just can't be seen posting here if YOU are my neighbor! You have a strange way of getting
your rocks off! Congratulations for putting me between a rock and a hard place, and
leaving me without knowing what to do, but If you don't stop these petty, lowdown games,
it won't take long before I find your crack smoking, stoned out ass, and you feel the
storm of my fists raining down upon you! I will not hold back anything! Even if you jump
on top of me I will go around and around with your ass until I'm winning ugly!
Can I
get a witness to the name of the culprit? That would sure make me happy! If you have the
information then send it to me. What a shame if you are sitting on a fence with the info
and leaving me high and dry, without a clue! Someone give me the name so I can sleep
tonight and wake up in the morning happily ready to call the proper authorities. I am
waiting, and though this evil person thinks they will get off the hook for betraying me
with this sad, sad, sad day, I can assure all of you it was the biggest mistake of their
life! Time waits for no one. You stupid guy or stupid girl! Some guys and some girls just
don't know when to quit! You do not have the luxury of time here. Time is on my side,
baby!
If you
send me an email then don't lie to me about who it is either! Given the situation, that
would be too rude for words. I've had way too many lies told to me, and about me, this
winter already!
Each
and every day of the year I came to Gasland for my Stones connection. It has felt like a
family here. There have been good times, bad times and everything in between, but the good
times have far outweighed the bad. Every time I post I feel like I am waiting on a friend
to reply. For those of you who are truly my friends I will truly miss you when I'm gone.
I'm moving on because I have no expectations of actually learning the name of the person
who has served up this rough justice to me. It hurts me too! How can I stop posting here
when I enjoy it so much? If you really want to be my friend then give me the information
if you have it. Come on and let it loose, because I really want to be cool, calm and
collected once again. Basically, I'm alright. I'm too tough and I simply refuse to be a
slave to this situation for very long. Should no one give me the information I seek then
just let me go elsewhere. If you let me, without asking me to stay, it will be easier on
me. It's not easy to leave, but with these latest events it's all over now.
Is it
just my imagination or are many of you laughing at me?
Till
The Next Goodbye,
Travellin'
Man
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Dirty Work
by 2000 Man
First
off, I checked with the boss before I posted this gargantuan thing. If you don't care
about Dirty Work, stop reading now! If you're in a hurry, stop reading now!
You've been warned!
The Setup
Dirty
Work. Two words that no one likes to see alone, but when placed together the connotations
are terrible. Nobody wants to do the Dirty Work. The Dirty Work is beneath us because it
is dirty and involves more work than it is worth. So why would the Stones give their 1986
album one strike before it ever got out of the wrapper and onto the turntables of the
world? Maybe it was an in joke, that they thought was funny at the time, but in retrospect
seems to be a very fitting title for one of the Stones’ least appreciated releases.
In 1983
the Stones released the adventurous and fairly successful (selling 2 million copies) Undercover.
Some of the criticisms surrounding that release were that the Stones had strayed too far
from their roots. Dirty Work had four solid, hard rocking songs in its bag of
tricks, and an updated very danceable cover track. This time Keith Richards stepped out
with lead vocals on two songs, a wonderful ballad, and the by now obligatory Stones reggae
track. Three pop oriented dance tracks made up the rest of the album. The list of
superstar guests (Bobby Womack, Don Covay, Jimmy Page, Tom Waits and more), coupled with
arguably the hottest producer of the 80’s, Steve Lillywhite, Dirty Work
should have been poised to be a huge success. Especially when considering that the Stones
were in the “tour year” of a touring pattern that had begun in 1969.
Dirty
Work came out to great reviews. “There hasn’t been so much static on a
Stones album since the glory days of ‘Street Fighting Man’ and ‘Sympathy
for The Devil,” said Keith Sharp, rating the album ‘Excellent (and that means
exceptional).’ Other reviewers called it the “best since
Exile on
Prior
to the Dirty Work sessions, the Stones were all involved in side projects. Keith
was doing tributes and movies with his idols, Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry as well as
working with Tom Waits on his album, ‘Rain Dogs.’ Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts
became active in the A.R.M.S. project, which was connected with the
She’s The
Boss
Mick
Jagger was certainly the most ambitious about his projects outside the Stones prior to and
after the release of Dirty Work. Mick recorded ‘Beast of Burden’ with
Bette Midler, and ‘State of
She’s
The Boss had Mick recording his solo record, and then shooting a short film for
promoting the record, which took five weeks. The film was shot by
Live Aid
Live
Aid was the biggest rock concert for charity ever assembled. An amazing cast of
rock’s superstars assembled on both sides of the
Ian Stewart
Perhaps
the most damaging thing to the psyche of the Stones happened on
Dirty Work
Dirty
Work began recording in January of 1985, and it took the entire year to get the album
finished. It took the first six months to record it, and the next six months to get it
mixed. In contrast, Undercover had only taken a few months to record and mix. The
Stones were doing interviews while sessions were ongoing for Dirty Work.
Inevitably, a lot of the interviews dealt with in band fighting and touring. Since Steve
Jordan and Anton Fig appeared on some songs, it was reported that Charlie was unhappy with
the Stones and talking of leaving. Chris Welch asked Bill about the sessions, and Bill had
some interesting comments. “We spent months in
Concerning
Charlie, Bill said “Charlie cut his hand, opening a miniature bottle. We didn’t
think he could drum for some weeks. All the frustrated drummers in the band thought,
‘Now’s my chance!’ and rushed to the drum kit. Mick would keep a rhythm
going, and Simon Kirke played a bit. But nothing he did was used on the album.” When
asked if Kirke might replace Charlie, Bill had this to say, “No. Simon has been
coming along to Stones sessions as a mate for years. If you recall, Charlie came home from
Keith
and Mick’s rows in the press at this time were legendary, and they’re easy
enough to find quotes from. I found things that other people were saying more interesting
than their sniping. Mick talked with Bobby Womack about his new band during the Dirty
Work sessions and told Womack, “Man, I’ve got a band that’s better.
They play TODAY’S sound.” More from Womack, “He (Jagger) would ask me,
‘What did he say? What was he doing?’ because they wasn’t talking. And I
think Bill might have had intentions not to tour at the time. He came in and did his part.
Charlie put his part there somewhere else. You can’t cut an album like that. Not and
be a unit.” Certainly outtakes don’t bear Womack out. It does seem that Mick
missed some sessions when looking at the outtakes, as there are a lot of songs that Keith
sings on, like ‘Deep Love,’ You’re Too Much,’ Treat Me Like A
Fool’ and others. Engineer Dave Jerden said, “There was a lot of jamming going
on, and Mick would be there for the jamming. They were even doing some Beatles songs. They
did ‘Please Please Me’ and a couple others. They would just jam on anything, old
blues songs – ‘Spoonful,’ stuff like that.”
But
wait! There's More!
Steve Lillywhite
The
Stones hired a producer for their new album, the hottest producer of the eighties, Steve
Lillywhite. In retrospect, he wasn’t a very good choice. Lillywhite had produced
hugely successful albums by U2 and Peter Gabriel. He also produced successful albums by
the Psychedelic Furs and Simple Minds, two of the newer eighties acts with the
“big” eighties sound. Lillywhite practically had the Midas touch during this
period, but if the Stones had been paying attention they may not have used him. Steve
Lillywhite produced Marshall Crenshaw’s Field Day. Crenshaw was closer to
the Stones style musically than the bands Lillywhite had been successful with, as Crenshaw
relied on catchy riffs and a somewhat stripped down sound. The songs on Field Day were
crushed under Lillywhite’s bombastic production, and the album went nowhere. The
Stones may have noticed that their music had more in common with Crenshaw’s than with
Peter Gabriel’s Steam. Lillywhite was known for his big drum sound, a sound
which may have served Jagger’s She’s The Boss better than the
Stones’ Dirty Work. Dave Jerden had an interesting comment about working
with the Stones when he said, “When we were mixing in
86 US Tour
– Dirty Work
Even
before the album was released, a tour seemed in the bag. The Stones had settled into their
every three years
That’s
when things fell apart. When asked if the Stones had resolved to tour Bill remarked,
“We have. I don’t think Mick has! Everybody else wants to tour. Charlie has some
reluctance but he’ll go along. Mick doesn’t want to. The truth is, he’s the
one who loses six pounds in sweat a show and has to get into physical shape. He has to run
around for two and a half hours. If I was him, I’d think twice. He’s the one
who’s going to get slagged off.” He continued, “But we’re one of the
best live bands and I think we should do it. We should let the kids see what a real good
touring band is like. I see a lot of young bands out on the road and a lot of them are
anti-climaxes, like Ultravox and Simple Minds. They’re not well organized and they
haven’t got a show. The music might be good, but visually Ultravox are boring and
Simple Minds are just a huge rumble of noise.”
Keith
was upset that Mick hadn’t committed to touring or not touring earlier, and felt
somewhat strung along by Mick waiting so long to decide not to tour. This wound up being a
big feud between Mick and Keith in the press for a couple of years, until they got back
together and started work on Dirty Work.
When
asked about his decision, Mick said, “Touring Dirty Work would have been a
nightmare. It was a terrible period. Everyone was hating each other so much; there were so
many disagreements. It was very petty; everyone was so out of their brains, and Charlie
was in seriously bad shape. When the idea of touring came up, I said, ‘I don’t
think it’s gonna work.’ In retrospect, I was a hundred percent right. It would
have been the worst Rolling Stones tour. Probably would have been the end of the
band.”
The Evaluation
Maybe
Mick was right about the tour, he certainly has stuck with his feelings throughout
interviews. Where he usually seems to have at best a “selective” memory, he has
steadfastly insisted that the band was not in shape to tour Dirty Work and that
the tour would have broken up the band. Mick does sometimes seem to confuse his second
solo album and the effects of those sessions with Dirty Work and its issues. He
mentions in some interviews that “after” Dirty Work was recorded, he
had to work on his album, which Keith knew all about. The rest of the band also seemed
healthier than Mick is giving them credit for. Keith did a lot of projects with other
people, eventually leading to his first solo album, Talk Is Cheap. Ronnie did a
tour with Bo Diddley, Bill got things going with Willie and the Poor Boys and Charlie
toured
Would
the Stones have broken up? Possibly. If Mick felt that strongly about not working with the
Stones at that period in his life, and he was forced to, maybe he would have called it
quits. As it stands, it’s obvious that Mick really wanted to do something else, but
felt obligated to do the Stones thing. He tried to balance two things that both needed his
undivided attention. If he had made the decision to do either She’s The Boss
OR Dirty Work, the end results probably would have been better remembered today.
Two comments by Keith at that time are telling: “After the last time the Stones
worked together we said we’d carry on playing regularly…and, for once, Woody and
me kept our promises. You got to keep practicing, playing, getting those ideas
coming.” Also, “Even if the Stones didn’t exist, I’d just wander
around the world playing in bars for drinks – and to see if I could cut it.”
Maybe
if Keith had been there earlier for Mick, Mick would have been there more for Dirty
Work.
Sources
Steve
Appleford’s The Rolling Stones It’s Only Rock And Roll: Song By Song
NO
articles by Nick Kent were used, because I think he makes stuff up and it’s been
PROVEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that he does, indeed make stuff up. If you want to use
the article in Spin, August 1986 as rebuttal, I'll tell you now that your source
sucks, Rush Limbo is more credible.
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Deep Thoughts By TM
by Travellin’ Man (July 15, 2008)
1) If a bear shits in the woods and there's no living thing around with a nose. Does it still stink?
2) Do good hearted atheists go to heaven if heaven actually exists? I'm thinking about George Carlin and Kurt Vonnegut here.
3) What is Heaven?
4) What is God?
5) Can you really drink until you're sober?
6) Is every cop really a criminal?
7) Is every sinner really a saint?
8) Has anyone ever truly drank the town dry?
9) Has anyone ever truly painted the town red?
10) How will people remember you when your time is finally up?
11) Let's say God (A Creator of the Universe) doesn't exist. (There is no concrete proof either way.) How does one explain evolution, intelligent design, the body's ability to heal itself, the ridiculous cuteness of small children, and baby animals, blooming flowers, LOVE, and The music of The Rolling Stones?
12) If God does exist. How could he, she, it, (take your pick), allow the atrocities and suffering which even innocent children are subjected to?
Yes. I'm asking you to think here. That is the sole reason I ask these questions. ( Well. I kinda wanted to think myself.) There are no "right" or "wrong" answers. To become an "instant philosopher" answer the above questions, or at least a few of them. Professor Travellin' Man phd, is not a strict task master at all. I'm about as laid back as they come unless you get in my face. (In fact, you can grade your own answers. Because I sometimes like a challenge, and tonight is one of those times, I will attempt to answer all these difficult questions for myself. I defiantly ask one more question. Why not try to answer them? What harm can be done? And you might just learn something about yourself. Wouldn't that suck?! lol.
1) It stinks to high heaven and quite glad I'm in my suburban home and not anywhere near those particular woods!
2) If there's a Heaven. Those two are at least honorary guests just for the laughter they give to the legitimate residents. Personally, I think Vonnegut is an Atheist Saint.
3) It's when you hit the lottery, make love, your team wins the Super Bowl, and the Stones played at halftime, all on the same day. (NB came close to heaven a couple years back.)
4)The Universe, the intelligence and the love behind it's design.
5)Naaah. Not real sobriety.
6)There are actually some good cops who take the "Serve and Protect" very seriously. And there are some cops who are the biggest hypocrites and criminals in the world. The percentages depend on where you live.
7) No one is entirely bad or entirely good.
8) Yes. Billy Bob Mountcastle drank the town of Scaredsheep, Alabama (pop. 2) dry on a night in 1974! He stole, and consumed, his brother, Bubba's last six pack while Bubba was away on vacation in Twitsville, Alabama. Yes. Drinking the town dry can be done!
9) Yes. Clint Eastwood had it done for him in the fine Western, 'High Plains Drifter'.
10) Differently
11) Hmm. It was all created by more than one creator? I don't buy that it just simply "happened".
12) Because God does not "allow" or "disallow" the acts of human beings? Either good or evil. We are talking, "Free Will" here. And such things are "allowed" to exist so we, as individuals, can demonstrate who we are, and where we stand, in relation to such atrocities and suffering in the realm of relativity. Keeping in mind, a lifetime is but the blinking of an eye, in relation to "ALL Time".
BTW. Isn't it funny. The most important questions in life have no absolute answers. One must create "beliefs" instead. You are what you think. Think on that...
Enjoy your coffee. I'm going out to drink the town dry, paint the town red, get arrested by a cop who is also a criminal, and take my rightful place as a sinner who is also a saint.
Share that bottle, Ronnie.
Keno
Damn, those are some of the kind of questions that can lead to problems here, mainly because we type what we think and are not talking to each other, and when you can't hear a person's voice, and only read what they have to say - it can lead to problems.....
1) If a bear shits in the woods and there's no living thing around with a nose. Does it still stink?
You're drinking again tonight, right? We got a lot of bears around here, and they usually shit at nite when nobody is outside. Unlike most places, I don't find dog shit in my yard by strays, but I do find bear shit (and a lot of deer shit). But anyway, I never tried to smell it, if you get my drift, but anything coming out of a living being smells bad, period.
2) Do good hearted atheists go to heaven if heaven actually exists? I'm thinking about George Carlin and Kurt Vonnegut here.
Which heaven are you talking about? Many Atheists believe in Nirvana, which is different, but some call Nirvana and Heaven the same thing.
3) What is Heaven?
A dream like world where the living want to go since most of the living can't accept the fact that we are mortals and will die some day. Others will say that any kind of afterlife is heaven, therefore if you are into Hinduism, you are living in heaven right now. For me, heaven is right here on Earth, along with Hell. It is what you make of your life or sometimes, like for little kids, you might be placed there and in the case of Hell, not by choice.
4) What is God?
A loaded question with all kinds of answers, as you already know.
5) Can you really drink until you're sober?
No.
6) Is every cop really a criminal?
No.
7) Is every sinner really a saint?
Nope, but many are.
8) Has anyone ever truly drank the town dry?
Yep!
9) Has anyone ever truly painted the town red?
Yep!
10) How will people remember you when your time is finally up?
Depends on the person.
11) Let's say God (A Creator of the Universe) doesn't exist.
Okay, God doesn't exist.... happy?
(There is no concrete proof either way.)
Depends on the God you are talking about, but for several of them (well, most) I think the odds are against any God(s). Again, it depends on what a "god" is to you. I know god exists, and I know God(s) doesn't exist, and I see the proof for myself to know this is a fact to me, and that is all that matters for myself.
How does one explain evolution, intelligent design,
Evolution - with science, intelligent design - no proof at all.
the body's ability to heal itself,
Ask a doctor. But that works both ways, how about the body's inability to heal itself?
the ridiculous cuteness of small children, and baby animals, blooming flowers, LOVE, and The music of The Rolling Stones?
The cuteness of small children is because of their innocence and overall drive and youth - and their lack of hate. With the Stones, the answer lies in our ears.
12) If God does exist. How could he, she, it, (take your pick), allow the atrocities and suffering which even innocent children are subjected to?
Why stop there, how about the atrocities and suffering of all of mankind? Most humans are good people, so why should anybody suffer? Just because some preacher, or bible (written by man) says so don't mean it is truth. God is a scapegoat for our fears and suffering; while on the other side of the coin, God can be the adults Santa, too. God exists in the minds of most humans for the reason I stated way above above heaven - most are afraid to die even if they don't admit it and even if they accept death (like we got a choice). Most people I know who are not totally afraid to die are Atheists and Buddhists (and most Buddhists are actually Atheists). The only humans who believe in a God and are not afraid to die are usually into Hinduism and those who practice some of the off shots to the Eastern religions. Okay, some of those Muslims are so brainwashed that they are not afraid to die, either. But, and I say this with no disrespect, most Christians who I know are afraid to die. Some aren't, but most are.
I'll close with what a great god wrote about the different Gods out there.... GOD (by John Lennon) ... God is a concept By which we measure Our pain I'll say it again God is a concept By which we measure Our pain.... I don't believe in magic I don't believe in I-ching I don't believe in Bible I don't believe in tarot I don't believe in Hitler I don't believe in Jesus I don't believe in Kennedy I don't believe in Buddha I don't believe in Mantra I don't believe in Gita I don't believe in Yoga I don't believe in kings I don't believe in Elvis I don't believe in Zimmerman I don't believe in Beatles I just believe in me Yoko and me And that's reality........... I'll skip the rest of the lyrics. I do believe in god, I'm a god, my kids and grandkids are god, you are your own god, etc. I just don't believe in God.
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999 upside down 666! Paint it black you devils!
by
gomper (September
18, 2018)
Note: This NSC post thread actually started as a reply from a Poll Post that was written two days earlier and it turned into it's own thread that really had nothing to with the original Poll Post (which happened to be for poll week 999), other than that post was talking about the Stones song "Paint it Black", and it turned into a non-Stones religious talk thread with some deep thoughts. We pick it up at that part of the thread, starting off talking about the number 666. Also note the thread's new title shown above was all that the poster, gomper, wrote in regard to the Stones song and its that video we were rating that week, but then it turned into all this:
Replies:
Keno
First, in regard to the new title you just added to this thread... Yes, it's weird that poll 999 had to have that happen to it for that song, LOL... and I'm not making the following up at all.... but... when I put the PIB poll together Saturday morning, the digital thermometer sitting next to my computer was reading 66.6 F! With that noted, I don't believe in the devil at all, but that's his number for sure!
gomper
For centuries the number was thought to be 666 but the earliest manuscript fort he book of Revelations actually shows the number 616. So the use of 666 could be a later mistake. Well, now we have 2 numbers to look out for!
Keno
Yep, you are correct on that. While Revelation 13:18 claims it's 666, Papyrus 115 says 616. But if you're a Jew, no, you don't believe Papyrus 115, or for that matter if you're a Atheist like myself, you just don't believe in the devil or most of what the bible states, period. But I'm glad that I went to bible study as a kid, as it got me to understand all of this well indeed and for me - to see the true light on all of this stuff.
gomper
While I count myself as an always struggling and very imperfect believer, I do have many, many friends who are atheists or agnostics. I have no less respect for them than I do fellow Christians and many of them are better people than I am and have contributed more to making this world a better place.
*please view the subject line of this reply for what it is -- a bit of silly sarcasm.
Keno
First, I'm pretty sure that I'll end this gig called life before you will, and while such a gate would lock me out since I'm a nonbeliever who will never change or believe, if my late dad was correct on this heaven thing - and if it did exist and I got in anyway, well I hope my old friend Brother Al would be there to hold open the gate for me. If so, I'll just leave it open for you when it's your turn to enter.
I must say gomper (and it's so appropriate that you choose that spiritual name/word as your handle, it's perfect for you!), I've only ever met one other man of the cloth who was like you in my entire life. He was Brother Al, back in the 1980s, when me and mine lived in Telluride, Colorado. He was the former pastor of the local Baptist church there before it was closed down long before I lived there. But I never got that, just how was he a Baptist, since Baptists are so conservative and rude, and so self righteous, while he wasn't that way at all. But he was around 70 or so when I knew him, and he looked like an old hippie with his long hair in a ponytail and his very long beard running down his chest (damn, I look like him today!). His wife had become a Jew and moved to Israel a year or so before I got to know him, while their only daughter was in a mental institution. This guy had several jobs and worked 7 days a week, but he was the nicest guy I ever worked with (at the town's only school) or knew, and me and the wife would have him over to the house for dinner every so often. But the man never - ever, preached to us (or anybody else for that matter) when we hung out with him. Yet on every Sunday morning, he did this radio show at the local station, and his show was 100% preaching - well, kinda, he never would say crap like "You're gonna go to Hell if you don't follow Jesus.." His preaching was just to praise the lord, and over the radio he sounded like one of those southern preachers whose voice was made for radio and for preaching - and nobody was any better at doing that than Brother Al was. The radio station (KOTO) was his church (they even made up a T-shirt for him in his honor one year, a T that I still have today), even though the station was mainly a rock and country music station, while the talk shows on there were 100% liberal talk. But from 6 to 9am on Sundays he ruled the airwaves, and this atheist listened whenever I was awake that early.
In the end when Brother Al passed away, it was at the radio station of all places. The station was located on the second floor of this building with a very long stairway that must have had about 30 steps to it. Anyway the station would play recorded music from 2am to 6am - or until whenever the morning deejay showed up. On one Sunday morning in 1998, the station manager realized that it was after 8am and the recorded music was still playing. He knew something was wrong, since Brother Al never once missed a Sunday show at the station since KOTO started up in the early 1970s. So he headed on over to the station and at the top of the stairway he found Brother Al on the ground by the station's front door with the door's key in his hand. He had suffered a heart attack and died right there - at his church on that Sunday morning. I felt so bad when I read that, but then realized, damn, that's how he would have wanted to go out, and he must have been in his mid 80s by then when he passed away.gomper
Keno, many thanks for that great story. Brother Al sounded like a beautiful man. There are others out there who share the view that people of other faiths, and of no faith, are to be respected and that they do great things for the world. And yes. tons of horrific things have been done in the name of Christianity. And as bad as things done, there is also the sin of people doing nothing, as in turning a blind eye to things.
I've always felt that if I am luck enough to go to Heaven I will meet all kinds of people there who you we would never imagine showing up next to the throne of God. And if I end up in the other place, I'll be rubbing shoulders with all sorts of people... Popes, CEOS, preachers, you name it.
Fatmo
I could never get the idea of the scales. one persons good deeds are a little more than the bad and he gets heaven forever. anothee has a few more bad deeds than good and he goes to the other place forever more. most pelple are a mix of good and bad anf dont deserve eternal heaven or hell.
Would you hold the door open if god told you not to gomper?
Keno
My mother was a true believer and went to church every Sunday up until she hit 89 or 90, and when she started to get too weak to attend anymore, then she just watch church services on TV instead each Sunday morning. Yet she didn't believe in the Devil or Hell at all, even if her bible said that it was real. Her feelings were that no God, or at least not her God, would ever let such a place exist or at the least send his followers there. Maybe it was because her dad, who truly was a great man and a leader in the earliest of the civil rights movement days of the 1920s and '30s, was an Atheist himself, and I got a feeling that is why she felt that way.
But if my grandpa didn't get into this place called Heaven, then I don't want in either, I'll go to wherever his soul is at today, and I'm sure my mom and dad are at that very same place with him now. Deep down I'm not sure that we even have a soul that lives on after we die, I bet we don't, but if we do have one, we won't remember our past at all anyway once we move on. One thing both my mom and late Buddhist friend Yeshee both said to me at different times when I would note this to them was 'well, when we die we will find out if you are right or not'. My answer to this was/is, if I'm right, then no, we won't ever find out since our brains won't be working any longer at that time. We will be dead, just like how sleeping is, except there will be no dreams, and we won't ever wake up, as we just won't exist any longer to know anything. But heck, there will be no more pain, either. That's better than believing in Hell and spending the rest of time suffering in pain just because some of us didn't believe the magic man that is called "god".
My mom was correct about 2 things as far as the afterlife goes, there is no Hell or a Devil to worry about. But IMO, there's no magic man called "God" up there, either.
PS to gomper: Brother Al was a beautiful man indeed. That's why I say I'll let him hold open those gates for me, even if I know those gates don't exist, wherever our energy that we generate while alive ends up, that's where he is and where we all will end up one day, sooner or later. If that energy of life just evaporates into nothing after death, well, that's where Brother AL and everybody who died before us are at. We will all be nowhere, man (pun to the Beatles song title intended). But why fear it? It's not worth the worry since we can't control it and it happens to everybody in the end, and no preacher or any religion can control it, either. Like that old '60s Buddhist like rock song said in it's lyrics: "live for today, and don't worry 'bout tomorrow, hey!". Who sang that song anyway? GranFunk maybe?
Shattered
It was The Grass Roots in 1967.
manny in ny
Ahh the grass roots, I love 'Live for today' and 'Wait a million years'. The late Rob Grill was a fine singer indeed.
Keno
Cool... and yes, you're correct, it was them. Really, that hippie song was so Buddhist like in it's message, and I've said it many times that most hippies are so close to being and living their lives like the Buddhists live theirs, so it makes total sense to me that such a band wrote such a mellow and cool song.
gomper
One major tenet of Christianity is that we are not saved by good works, but by faith alone. This was something that Martin Luther made sure the Roman Catholic Church knew about as he railed against many practices such as the sale of indulgences. We are saved by our own faith and by God's grace. No amount of good works can save us. And don't even get me started with Calvinism (I am not one) we can always find salvation if we freely choose God and believe in Him.
Well... about your question...Fatmo, I would put a stick in the door and run away from it, or maybe leave a note for St Peter to let you in.
But seriously, we are fools is we think we know who goes where in the afterlife, as we do not even fully know what that afterlife entails.
Shattered
Nowhere in the Bible does it say faith alone. It is a disastrous doctrine that Marty Luther invented in the 16th century. (Just like 'Bible alone'.)
Romans 2:6-7 = For God will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
Psalm 62:12 = Also to You, O Lord, belongs mercy;
For You render to each one according to his work.
Proverbs 24:12 = Don�t excuse yourself by saying, �Look, we didn�t know.� For God understands all hearts, and he sees you. He who guards your soul knows you knew. He will repay all people as their actions deserve.
James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. <----< This text is about as plain as any text could be concerning works and justification is James 2:24�that is, it is about as plain as can be in telling us both that �faith alone� is insufficient for our justification, and that "works" are indeed necessary. Are we justified by faith? Certainly! By faith alone? No way! It's both faith and works, according to Scripture.
And there's the parable of The Rich Man and Lazarus in Luke 16.
And what about the parable of the talents in Matthew 25?
And please see ---> Matthew 25:31-40
There are so many many more.
Now, it IS true that Paul says in Romans 3:28 = For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law. (key words: of law When you see the words 'of (the) Law', Paul is talking about the Law of Moses, which have been fulfilled in Christ. Circumcision is no longer necessary, Baptism fulfills it, as now the Kingdom is open to ALL, Jews and Gentiles.) Please check out the above link, it's explains things much better than I can.
Fatmo
Buddhists believe everyone will evenrually reach nirvana....its just that some will be a lot slower getting their than others
Keno
Buddhism is the one and only religion that I believe in a bit, but even they go overboard on the "after life thing", IMO. They claim they don't believe in a soul, but they actually do if you read their teachings, they just don't call it a "soul". But I like the fact that they (well most of them) also don't believe in any gods, too. They do believe in the energy that life generates, and so do I, but they believe it lives on after death and in time - if you don't make it to Nirvana, then you come back to life as a new new person and get another clean shot at reaching Nirvana in your next life. I can't be so sure of that energy living on after we are gone. It would be nice of course if it does live on, but like gomper noted, we - that is, none of us - have any way of knowing if this is true or not. My guess is, if it is true, and we do live on in this matter, well we won't even know it.
But again, I like what the Buddhist teach on this, just live your life as a good person, be the best you can be to yourself, your family, and all of those who you encounter in your life, and with some luck after you pass on, you just might make it to Nirvana. Again, I dig that talk, but the Nirvana part of it is once again man worrying about what's to come, and I say as long as you live a good life and are a good person, then don't you worry 'bout a thing as to what lies ahead for you when your time is up.
gomper
Some great points above regarding the Christian views on how a person is 'saved'.
I would say that the Roman Catholic view is not works alone nor faith alone, but that the two go hand in hand. I am not an Roman Catholic, I am an Anglican, which is,as I am sure you all know, kind of an off shoot of Roman Catholicism.
I think a main idea is that we as humans can't do anything to save ourselves, and this is why the idea of Sola Fide (justification by faith alone) comes in. It also probably emerged as an idea which was a reaction against many church practices which seemed counter to the true faith.
Now... can works alone get you saved? I doubt any RC, Anglican, Orthodox, or any protestant theologian would sign their name to this. But can there be a real faith without good works? That would be highly problematic too.
Here is a good little article about faith and works explaining how its not one or the other...
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/faith-and-works-0
Having said all this, there are varying ideas of what it means to be 'saved', how we are saved, and what the afterlife might look like. Not all Christians believe the same thing, and in truth probably few of us consistently believe the exact same thing and are able to articulate it. And of course a growing viewpoint nowadays is universalism, or the idea that all are saved. You see a lot of this right across the board these says. Don't confuse it with the Universalist denomination (though I would guess they preach the same thing)
Below are some passages of scripture that support the idea of being save by faith alone. But again, the idea of that the two go hand in hand makes the most sense to me.
Acts 16:31
They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Mark 16:16
"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Luke 7:50
And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
1 John 5:4
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
Romans 11:20
Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith Do not be conceited, but fear;
Romans 11:23
And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
John 3:15
so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:36
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6:40
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
John 20:31
but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Acts 10:43
"Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
Hebrews 4:3
For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Matthew 9:2
And they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralytic, "Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven."
Mark 2:5
And Jesus seeing their faith said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven."
Luke 5:20
Seeing their faith, He said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven you."
John 3:18
"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 13:39
�and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
1 Timothy 4:10
For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
1 Peter 1:9
obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.
John 8:24
"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
Shattered
That was a very excellent and informative article you linked. I've read many of Jimmy Akin's writings throughout the years, he just has a way of explaining things that make me feel like ah, now I get it!
On September 28, 2018, 10 days after the above posts were made, an off-shoot thread on this took place. Since enough is already posted here on this, you can go to the Gasland board to read that new post and thread that is titled "Does god exist?", here: https://www.keno.org/gasland/get.asp?M=317846&P=0&T=317846
Cat and Mouse Games
by Keno (February
01, 2012)
I noted in the thread that MMR posted the other day - Dirty Rat Scum Building A Better Mouse Trap, that I had a great cat and mouse story to share, along with a photo that I didn't have on-line yet, so I said I would post about it when I got the photo on-line, and I just took care of that, so.....
My cat Cheezy is almost 4 years old and we got him mainly because of the problem of too many mice in our home. Actually, he was our second cat, but our first one, Ratty, who was only a kitten, and who we only had for 3 weeks, was killed in a sad accident, and we got Cheezy less than a week later, in part from suggestions from a few of you here from Gasland, so that my grandson (who caused the accident) would get over Ratty's death fast. The suggestion was a good one, it worked!
Anyway, we were told to get a female cat because they were better mousers. So we did, at least we were told he was a she, and he looked like a she because with kittens, it's sometimes hard to tell early on what their sex is. Anyway, it took 2 months for us to find out she was a he, and lucky the name we came up with still worked for a male, and in time it turned out he was an excellent mouser, and that was what we got him for.
So Cheezy became a part of the family, then of course, the family had to moved away, and that left me alone with him. But damn, ever since the day we got him, we have had almost no mice in the house, he kills 5 to 10 a year, but 90% of those he gets in the garage, few make their way into the house, and if they do, they die, because Cheezy does his job well - other than this one mouse.
The mouse in question entered the house last year in mid November. One morning I awoke and Cheezy was not sleeping next to me like he always does. On the rare mornings this happens it means one thing - he's downstairs with a half dead, or soon to be dead mouse that he found during the night. So sure enough, when I made my way down to the family room, there he was by the old TV stand with a very much live mouse hiding under it. I had somewhere to go that morning and left with Cheezy in the very same spot, waiting for this mouse to make his move. Several hours later I returned and everything seemed normal, in fact I forgot about the mouse being in the house. That night, around 8 PM, I had just finished up working in the family room and Cheezy was asleep in the living room when, I saw the mouse run across the room and go behind one of my stereo speakers on the floor. So I yelled for Cheezy, and all I had to say was "MOUSE", he knows what the word means, and he came running into the room ready to kill. The mouse then came out from behind the speaker - very slowly, as if he was giving up, and Cheezy - instead of going after him the way he always goes after mice, walked up to the mouse, sniffed him and then sat down next to him. I could not figure why he did that and I yelled at him to take care of the bastard. But the two of them just sat there looking at each other, so I threw something at the mouse to get him to run, figuring that would get Cheezy to go after him. It worked, the mouse ran behind the speaker again and Cheezy followed him. As Cheezy looked behind one end of the speaker, the mouse came out from behind the other end and walked up to him as if to say, "I'm over here". All I could think to myself was, why isn't this mouse running away in the opposite direction?... they all run away from the damn cat like that! So Cheezy turns around and they sniff each other again, then the mouse jumps up on the telephone and Cheezy sits down next to him and to my total surprise, they both stayed there for more than a half hour, while I took several picture of this unusual event. It was as if the two of them made some kind of peace deal earlier in the day and became friends. I never had seen anything like this before with my cat, nor had I heard of any cat and mouse doing this, either. So after a half hour or so past, I realized Cheezy wasn't going to kill this mouse and the mouse wasn't leaving; him and Cheezy were just hangin' together like two bros! I knew at this point that I would have to get rid of the mouse on my own. So I got a bucket and a broom and sweep the mouse into the bucket and went outside and kicked his ass out of the house; I never saw the sucker again. Of course when I came back in I gave my cat a ear full, but he could care less and just fell asleep. Like all cats, he's real good at sleeping, and other than that one mouse, he's good at getting rid of mice, in fact he killed his first mouse of the year just last week. But not that one mouse, the two of them somehow became friends.
But, I did go online and ran a photo search to see if this has happened before and I did find one photo of a mouse and a cat hanging out together (but no text to explain what was up with them two). So I guess it can happen. Well, I know it can happen, I got to see it take place with my own two eyes. Anyway, below is one of the photos I took before I kicked the mouse out of the house. I just want to know, have any of you ever heard of something like this happening between a cat and a mouse? Or do I just have one crazy cat?
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devilsadvocate
OMG this is hilarious Keno! I laughed out loud when reading your story. God only knows why Cheezy decided not to go after that specific mouse. From the photo, I can tell he's a cutie-pie.
Sweet Virginia
LOL. Good story. Maybe the mouse bit Cheezy's balls and Cheezy gained the utmost of respect for "chomper". I would not have been able to kick chomper out cause I would have felt bad for Cheezy. Only time I've seen anything like this is on Bugs Bunny or other cartoons.
Oponok
That's an awesome story.
I actually have pretty much the opposite problem. My girlfriend and I adopted pet rats a few years ago, and due to their intelligence and affection, we may only ever own rats from now on. At the moment though, we also have a very sweet pitbull we adopted in 2011, and this was a problem for a while until we trained her to ignore the rats on verbal command. They're hardly friends (if the dopey pitbull stares for too long, the rats get kind of cranky), but it's a functioning system in progress.
Anyway, while I do love my rodents, I can't believe the mouse problem is that bad in your area and am intrigued to find out that house cats are a practical solution.
Sweet Virginia
I was stopping through at my sister's one day and she wasn't expecting me. Apparently, she had a chipmunk loose in her house and had it all calm and a peice of bread with peanut butter and was just about to get it into a box when I show up and bang loudly on the door LMAO! I barged in and the thing was gone. I think they eventually got it out. Her cat Ally would have had a field day with that thing. Ally is a good mouse catcher too.
Human Riff
So Funny. Female cats make better mousers? Never heard that. I had a male and a female at the same time and they were both excellent hunters.
I got a cat story. A family I knew inherited a cat. "Herman" lived in an apartment his entire 8 year life before being bequeathed. One spoiled cat. Weighed 20+ lbs and had no fur on his stomach because it dragged on the ground. Being as such, Herman had health issues, including asthma. On more than one occasion I witnessed Herman drop on his side and gasp his way through an attack.
Herman was put on a diet and eventually learned to venture outdoors. Not for long, but he did come around to start enjoying his his time in the jungle providing he had immediate access to the safety of indoors. This was a tough neighborhood where the fireflys grow up to a 1\8th inch.
One evening, Herman is let out the sliding door and the rest of us are sitting around inside socializing when there is a bit of commotion outside. We look out to see Herman making his first kill since his transition to the country. Herman had cornered a Grass Hopper. We proceed to cheer Herman on as he valiantly defends us from the beast. Every time the Grass Hopper would take a leap, Herman would deliver a incapacitating blow with his paw.
After several rounds, Herman has his nemisses against the ropes. He reels back, ready to lay the crushing blow with his paw. His first kill!.......F@*king cat falls over on his side in a full blown asthma attack and the grass hopper limps off....... My friends bought a bug zapper Ronnie!
manny in ny
I have a female cat thats 7 and a half years old,shes really a good natured one,never wakes me up, and she does not mess with any of my things.So ill keep her.I have no mice here.
devilsadvocate
LOL HR, that is one funny story. Thank you for telling it.
Travellin' Man
LOL ! 2 great stories. Enjoyed em!