“Short and Curlies” is the Stones song that we will rate this week
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Name: Keno
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Subject: Poll Post for the week starting Monday, May 9
Date: Sunday, May 8, 2022
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We open up and start off this week’s Poll Post with something new, or perhaps something old from years ago, as this week we return to what we last had here back in November of 2012, that is, only 3 new weekly polls to vote in, instead of the 4 a week that we’ve been voting in for the last several years or the 5 new polls a week we voted on before that.
Yep, so we go back down to just 3 new polls a week now and I’ll talk a bunch more about that at the close of this poll post. But for now, it’s time for me to tell you about this week’s new polls. As is always the case, I’ll first address the Stones weekly poll, where we enter week 1,188 of voting, and week 79 of rating the Stones songs. For this week, this is the question that we will be voting on: Rate the Stones song “Short and Curlies”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).
“Short and Curlies” is the Stones song that we will rate this week
"Short and Curlies" was one of those songs that got little air play because of what it was about - or perhaps more so, what was being said in the song's lyrics. Even in 1974 when it was released, "Short and Curlies" was being censored and not allowed to be played on many U.S. radio stations, and even the official Stones music book that it was in, which I had a copy of at the time, released the song’s lyrics - altered, to where "She got you by the balls" was changed to and shown in the book as "She got you by the bones". Ridiculous, indeed! The saying "short and curlies" is British slang, that most of us young U.S. fans at the time of its release, never heard or used before. It means to have complete control or dominance over another person; to have someone at one's mercy. "The short and curlies" can refer to the hairs on one's neck - but more often, it's about one's pubic hair (which of course never grows too long or grows totally straight, since, well, you know. Yet pubic hair is really more-so coarse like hair and not so much curly hair, but the saying’s wording is what it is. But yes, this talk got me thinking, just how many other Rock bands have written and recorded a song about pubic hair, anyway? This saying is used with the wording, or instead of the wording for, "She had her husband by the short hairs", being a euphemism for having a guy by the balls, and the hairs in question when used in that matter, is for sure about pubic hair, and this has been used, so I've read online, since the second half of the 1800s, but only in the UK. Well, I'm not from the UK, so how would I know if that's true or not? We use another definition for that here in the States, a definition that's looked at as being a sexist way of speaking, as using the "P" word followed by "whipped" is what is used instead on this side of the pond, and using the P word in that way is like saying that, only because she's female is why she's that way. But just why is that so? We think nothing is wrong when saying: "John is a real dick towards Jane!", yet we can't say that "John is p.... whipped by Jane". So I guess saying "she has him by the short and curlies" for sure, at the least, isn't in any way sexist.
But I only first heard of this UK term when I first saw the title of this song, so I looked it up in the dictionary (remember the days when you had to do that, since we didn't have computers yet in our homes?). Yet since that was a long time ago in the '70s, during a time when everybody was so hung-up about everything (today only those who are right wing conservatives are hung-up it seems), I knew that censorship was just getting in the way of things, even if I had no clue what the saying meant, since the Stones are from the UK and the songs is directly about having a guy by the balls - that has to be why they are using "bones" instead of "balls" in my lyrics book. If the Stones wanted to have a titled censored (liked what happened with another song of theirs, when "Starfucker" became "Star Star"), they could have just titled the song "She Got You by the Balls" - since that's the one line that is repeated over and over again in the lyrics. But I guess the band was worried about not getting air play on the radio back then if they went with that, and yet it got almost no air play anyway, since the lyrics were very clear as to what lyrics this song was spitting out. But if you think of it, using "short and curlies" as the title of the song was an excellent title anyway, since it means the same thing of what was being sang in the song (well, in the UK anyway), for sure!
Now for the song itself, "Short and Curlies" was released on the It's Only Rock n Roll album in 1974, with that being the last LP that Mick Taylor, as a member of the band, played on. Written by Mick Jagger, it for sure is a deep track on the LP and was actually recorded during the Goat's Head Soup LP sessions, a year earlier. While the lyrics were written by Jagger - was he really writing about his first wife, Bianca? If so, MJ will never admit it was. The song's lineup is: Mick Jagger – Lead and Backing Vocals; Keith Richards: Electric Guitar and Backing Vocals; Mick Taylor: Electric Guitar; Bill Wyman: Bass Guitar; Charlie Watts: Drums... with Ian Stewart on the honky-tonk piano. To rate this week’s song, just click on the following link: Stones Weekly Poll.
Last week at the Stones poll we voted on this question: Rate the Stones song “Let's Spend the Night Together”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).
“Let's Spend the Night Together” The Stones UK single cover photo for this song
In last week's poll, "Let's Spend the Night Together" saw a top rating of a 10, taking in 67.8% of the votes. To see the full, final results from this poll, just click here: Stones Weekly Poll - week 1,187. Or, to see just where in the rating standings this song landed, just click on here: Stones Song Ratings & Standings - List Page 5.
Okay, time now to move on to this week’s Classic Rock Poll, where we enter week 827 of polling, and for the voting at this poll, this week, like the other 2 polls, we from now on will only vote in one poll a week, that being the main Rock poll, as the stand-alone VS and Video Polls are no more. So for this week’s poll, we are still voting on this multi-week question: What is the greatest long running Rock Song (at least 10 minutes long), ever? (Part 3 of 4).
Long running Rock songs
Part 3 of this 4-week poll. For this week, we have another batch of real long songs to consider (25 of them this week). All of the same rules apply this week as to what we had in the last 2 weeks, and then the top songs picked in parts 1 thru 3 will go up against each other in Part 4.
Now, I was supposed to list either Lou Reed's "Rock & Roll," or The Velvet Underground w/ Nico's "A Symphony Of Sound" jam in Part 1 of this series and then list the one I didn't go with in Part 1, in either Part 2 or Part 3, as I do try to not list one artist no more than once in any one part of any multi week poll - if I can avoid that (Reed was of course the defacto leader of the VU and that band also released the Reed penned song "Rock & Roll", only the group’s take of it was just 4 minutes long). But somehow, I managed not to list either song in Parts 1 or 2 and didn't realize my mistake until last Wednesday night when I was playing Reed's great solo LP Rock n Roll Animal, when his solo take of "Rock n Roll" came on. So anyway, now I have to list both of them this week, with "A Symphony of Sound", being a jam which was really made just to please their manager, Andy Warhol, who of course was also a filmmaker (among other things), and this jam was put together for what was actually a Warhol film. The jam was a very long, non-stop instrumental piece put together as they played, and singer Nico really seems lost and bored after the first 17 minutes or so, to the point that her small son who’s by her side, seems more into playing the maracas with the band at that point than his mother seems to be in playing the tambourine… But last week's 1 hour song "Dopesmoker", by Sleep (with the same riff throughout the entire song and taking up a lot of time with that riff repeated over and over, clocked in at 1 hour and a few seconds, but still wasn’t the longest song listed in this poll, as the one from Reed and the Velvets officially is. The VU band, was of course the very first of the punk rockers, who looked like a bunch of hippie freaks, since, well, it was the late ‘60s, and that was how the early punks looked. But, am I talking too much about the VU here? Perhaps, but they totally fascinated me, since they were so unlike any other '60s band, and there's no way this one song will make it into the final round of voting even if I talked all day about it, knowing our voters (heck, it won’t even get my vote, since they recorded so many better songs than this one, IMO). However, the Reed solo take of “Rock n Roll”, just might make it, since it is well known and liked, and while the band’s take was good too, that version was 6 minutes too short to list in the poll.
There really have been some very interested long songs that we been looking at in this series, and as I noted in the Poll Post for Part 1, I had no clue just how many such songs that were out there that were over 10 minutes long, and again, before HP lost the first list I had put together for this poll, which contained around 160 songs on it, had I actually got to run all of those songs, this multi-week poll won’t be in its last 2 weeks of voting right now. But I really do think that a 4-week poll is long enough... Anyway, to vote in this week's poll and see this week’s long song list for Part 3, just click here: Classic Rock Poll . Plus, I should note that (and this is usually the case), I never place music links to any of the songs listed in any multi-week poll, as it's not only too much work on my part to do, but for this poll series, with the average song being 15 minutes long, who has the time to listen to all 20 plus of them each week? Well, if you’re retired, you can find the time, but not if you have to work a 40 hour week. But another thing I should had noted before (in regard to this), is that yes, every one of these songs, or extended jams as so many of them are, are up on YouTube, so if you want to listen to one, or 5, or all of them, they are easy enough to find on your own, and you don’t really need my help to do that.
Well, it feels weird to not say at this part of the Poll Post: “Let’s look at this weeks’ second Rock Poll” (I guess that’s why I just wrote that, now that I wrote it I don’t feel so weird!).
Looking back on the results from last week in the first Rock Poll, we voted on this question: What is the greatest long running Rock Song (at least 10 minutes long), ever? (Part 2 of 4).
Long running Rock songs
Nine of the 24 songs voted on last week qualified for the final round. They are: The End - The Doors (11.2%); Cowgirl in the Sand - Neil Young with Crazy Horse (9.7%); Funeral for a Friend / Love Lies Bleeding - Elton John (9.7%); Papa Was A Rollin' Stone - The Temptations (9.6%); The Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys - Traffic (9.6%); In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida – Iron Butterfly (9.6%); Desolation Row - Bob Dylan (9.5%); I Heard It Through the Grapevine - Creedence Clearwater Revival (9.5%); And You and I - Yes (9%).
To see the full final results and where the rest of the songs landed in the poll, just click on the following link: Classic Rock Poll, week 826, Poll 1.
In last week’s finial Rock Video Poll, it turns out that yes, last week wasn’t only the last running the Rock Video Poll as the 4th poll of the week, but since I decided against running an encore VS poll this week (if you recall, the VS Poll used to run each late spring and then into the summer months). Again, I'll do a wrap-up about the Video polls run on the domain at this Poll Post’s close, but for now, I’m only gonna look at last week's question. We asked this: Rate John Lennon's' original video for “Jealous Guy” from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest). Click “here”for the video.
“John Lennon” around the time he recorded “Child of Nature” with his old band the Beatles, which in time became “Jealous Guy”
This poll did well to close out the Rock Video poll's run, seeing a record high vote count for this Video Poll, with just over 2,400 votes cast last week by our voters. So a nice sendoff indeed, vote wise, and for the video that we rated, well, John Lennon always did great in this poll whenever one of his solo videos was voted on, with all 4 of the ones that we voted on not only scoring 10 ratings, but all of them showing up in the Video standings' Top 10. For "Jealous Guy" last week, it's 10 rating took in 80.1% of the vote, making it the 4th highest 10 score ever in the poll, and for the 4 Lennon videos, these vids saw spots 4, 5, 9 and 10 on the ratings Top 10 list.....You can check out the full results from this video poll by clicking on the following link: Classic Rock Video Poll, week 826… Or, to check out the results on the Rock Video list page, where you can see the full video standings, just click on the following link: Top Ratings for Rock Videos Page .
Let’s close out this Poll Post with this week’s Beatles Poll, where we enter week 578 of voting and week 12 of rating Beatle songs. The question we will answer this week is: Rate the Beatles song, “For You Blue”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).
“For You Blue” picture sleeve
For the first time since we started rating the Beatle songs, let's rate one that George Harrison wrote for the group, and which showed up on the Let it Be album. It wasn't too often when the Beatles, a pure Rock n Roll band, played the Blues, but this one is just that, with John Lennon playing the lead slide guitar heard on the song, and with Harrison singing the song's vocals alone.
The song's title doesn't seem to make any sense, but what happened there was that it was mistitled in the session logs when being recorded by the band, by a studio tech who asked George what the title was to write on the song’s log sheet, and he misheard what George said to him, as the original, actual title that George told him the song was called, was "For Your Blues". But since the mistake in the logs wasn't noticed until it was too late to change it, the mistaken title ended up being used instead.
For the music I linked the song to at the voting page, so you can listen to the song before you rate it, well, since Disney+ removed all of the videos of this song from the internet when they gained the right to release the new, updated session film Get Back, none of that is allowed online today. So over at YouTube, where several takes of the song were once shown, today has exactly one left up, and it's not the final cut/single/album release of the song - which is what we are rating. But this take is really good too and will do fine. Just remember, we are only rating the official release of the song and not what you see in the video, although what we hear on this clip sounds really close to what was released anyway.
The lineup for this song was: George Harrison – Vocals, Acoustic Guitar; John Lennon – Lead Lap Slide Guitar; Paul McCartney – Piano, Bass; Ringo Starr – Drums. Before you rate this song, remember again that we are not rating the video that's linked to at the voting page, just the song itself.
Now it's time to rate this number, to do so and have a listen to the song, just click on this link: Beatles Weekly Poll.
Last week at the Beatles poll we answered this question: Rate the Beatles song, "Can't Buy Me Love”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).
“Can't Buy Me Love”, this was what was being shown when this song was played in the Beatle’s movie A Hard Day’s Night
While last week's song, the Paul McCartney penned song "Can't Buy Me Love", saw a 10 rating, just like all of the other previous Beatle songs that we have rated so far scored, this one's percentages of the 10 vote was nowhere near the other 10 ratings that the other songs received. in fact, it scored 22% less votes than the score that the lowest 10 rated song before it saw. But what I noted last week when that other score took place, a 10 score is still a 10 score and you can't go any higher than that number, even if the percentage is much lower. To see the full, final results from this poll, just click on here: Beatles Weekly Poll – week 577. Or, you can also check out the results at The Beatles Song Ratings and Standings page, located at the domain’s Lennon Site.
Okay, so now for the wrap-up for the Video poll. I’m placing it here since this post is so long anyway and I wanted to get the current polls taken care of first…. But anyway, I started to run 2 Rock polls a week here back in December of 2012, when I first started to ask the Rock VS poll questions along with the regular Rock poll question of the week. The Rock Video Polls didn't get started for another 5 years, when it started up in the week of November 13, 2017. Now I do still have a lot of Rock Video questions to ask, and in time this poll will return for a few weeks at a time as the lone Rock Poll of the week, and the same deal will perhaps apply to the old VS polls, too. But more than likely, it will be a while until that happens, like maybe a year, or perhaps a bit sooner, as the Video Poll is a very popular poll, and sees as many votes on average cast as both the Stones and Beatles weekly polls see each week. So no, I didn't stop running this poll because of a lack of support from you voters each week. I stopped running it since as I've noted here many times in the past, I'm slowly lessening my work-load and spending more time being retired, something I enjoy very much.
So overall, for the Rock Video Poll, its top poll turnout - was last week with 2,405 votes cast. For its top most voted on polls, its top 10 totals per poll ranged from 2,270 votes to 2,405 votes cast, and that's not too bad for our polls. Since the Rock VS polls ended early last fall and I decided to not run anymore of them, let me give it a wrap-up for its Top 10 polls (vote count wise)… This one’s Top 10 ranged from 1,950 to 2,112 votes cast. Plus, since I'm at it and I never normally write about this stuff in the Poll Post, I might as well note this info for the other current weekly polls that will continue to be voted on. The Stones polls, which is the granddaddy of all of our weekly polls on the domain, and which is now in week 1,189, its Top 10 voted on polls range from 2,275 to 2,402 votes cast. Then for the Beatles polls, it's Top 10 totals for its most votes cast total from 2,292 to 2,558 votes cast. Finally, the main Rock poll run each week, which has been the anchor poll for the domain since it took over that spot from the Stones poll about 12 to 15 years ago, it's range of Top 10 votes runs from 2,756 to 3,298 votes.
Of course, those weekly poll totals just noted have nothing to do with the 17 different On-Going polls totals that also continual to run. So you can note that the domains' most voted on all time poll isn't any of the weekly polls at all, as all of the On-Going Polls have seen more votes each than any of the weekly polls (since they never end), and as of today, the On-Going Poll with the most votes is the Rock On Going poll question that asks for your favorite Rock song, which has 59,877 votes and counting, so far, with the most popular Stones poll also asking for your favorite song, close behind with 59,346 votes, and the favorite Beatles song poll has 53,984 votes so far.
But in closing, one might ask, will I ever totally retire and end all of the domain’s polls for good? Well, I'm pretty sure at this point that no, I'll never totally retire, so not until my time is up will the weekly polls end. Well, that is, not as long as I don't ever lose my marbles in my old age, as that could end the polls early. You never know what might happen in old age, and that problem almost happened to me a couple of years ago (if I ever get that Mumbo Jumbo article written, I would explain that a bit more). But if nothing else, the On-Going Polls should continue, even after I'm gone, as my grandson Cooper is already slowly taking over running the domain for me as it is. But since he's just a kid and not into Classic Rock music, the weekly polls in time would stop running when I’m no longer able to run them anymore. But the Ongoing Polls should keep going, that is, if the program that runs them doesn't die. While the polls run on the same kind of old ASP programing that this old and for sure dying message board runs on, well if the poll program does break down one day (it's totally separate from the message board's program), then that would be it for the On-Going poll, too. But the Poll admin has had very few problems in how it's been running for well over 20 years now, and as long as there are servers out there to support ASP programing, these polls should just keep running for years to come, well, or at the least their archives should always be online to read, as well as their companion HTML Lists Pages, too. But you know what, all of us original Classic Rock fans who were around years ago when the music genre started up, well, all of us are old now, not just I, and once we’re all gone, will those who will be around running the planet, care to read this stuff, say in 2060? Well, if they want to and there’s servers that can handle the programs that run keno.org, I hope they will take a look now and then of the music that came long before they were born.
I hope all of you have a great week ahead, and hey, stay healthy, since all of you need to stick around for as long as possible.
Keno
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