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Name: gomper
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Subject: Loving talking theology here at Gasland!
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2018
Time: 9:05:14 AM
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Message ID: 317680
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Some great points above regarding the Christian views on how a person is 'saved'.
I would say that the Roman Catholic view is not works alone nor faith alone, but that the two go hand in hand. I am not an Roman Catholic, I am an Anglican, which is,as I am sure you all know, kind of an off shoot of Roman Catholicism.
I think a main idea is that we as humans can't do anything to save ourselves, and this is why the idea of Sola Fide (justification by faith alone) comes in. It also probably emerged as an idea which was a reaction against many church practices which seemed counter to the true faith.
Now... can works alone get you saved? I doubt any RC, Anglican, Orthodox, or any protestant theologian would sign their name to this. But can there be a real faith without good works? That would be highly problematic too.
Here is a good little article about faith and works explaining how its not one or the other...
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/faith-and-works-0
Having said all this, there are varying ideas of what it means to be 'saved', how we are saved, and what the afterlife might look like. Not all Christians believe the same thing, and in truth probably few of us consistently believe the exact same thing and are able to articulate it. And of course a growing viewpoint nowadays is universalism, or the idea that all are saved. You see a lot of this right across the board these says. Don't confuse it with the Universalist denomination (though I would guess they preach the same thing)
Below are some passages of scripture that support the idea of being save by faith alone. But again, the idea of that the two go hand in hand makes the most sense to me.
Acts 16:31
They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Mark 16:16
"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Luke 7:50
And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
1 John 5:4
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
Romans 11:20
Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith Do not be conceited, but fear;
Romans 11:23
And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
John 3:15
so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:36
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6:40
"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
John 20:31
but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Acts 10:43
"Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
Hebrews 4:3
For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Matthew 9:2
And they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralytic, "Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven."
Mark 2:5
And Jesus seeing their faith said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven."
Luke 5:20
Seeing their faith, He said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven you."
John 3:18
"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 13:39
…and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
1 Timothy 4:10
For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
1 Peter 1:9
obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.
John 8:24
"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
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