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Name: Keno
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Subject: I Wanna Be your Man/TY/ABB/Pretenders/Who/Fabs
Date: Sunday, July 22, 2018
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I Wanna Be your Man/TY/ABB/Pretenders/Who/Fabs

Let’s get our weekly poll post underway for our 5 weekly polls, and as usual we start off with the Stones poll, where we enter week 991 of this poll (9 weeks to go!) and as usual 2 brand new Stones polls will be conducted. The first Stones poll question will ask this: Rate the Rolling Stones TV performance/video for 'I Wanna Be Your Man'

This week in the first Stones poll we continue to rate Stones videos, but to call this one a video is unfair, so I won't, and instead I will call it what it really was, an early TV performance from Top of The Pops, which aired in the UK on New Year's Day 1964, and filmed in black and white, since almost nobody had color TV sets back in those days (FYI, just 3% of all the people in the U.S. had color TVs in '64, with even less than that in the UK).

Short but sweet is how I would sum up this song (only 1:44 long), which John Lennon and Paul McCartney wrote for the Stones when visiting Mick, Keith and BJ's flat one night, after hanging out with the Stones after they had watched them rehearse. This was a song Lennon/McCartney had started to write for Ringo to sing, but when the Stones asked them for a song to help them out, they finished writing this song on the spot that night and gave it to them, and the rest is history (regardless of any other false stories you might have read in the past on this, that is the true story). Maybe not the greatest song in the world, but it was a big hit for the Stones in part thanks to Brian's great sounding lead slide guitar, something that was a brand new sound coming from a rock band at the time, as only a handful of blues artists played slide guitar before this time as it was. This also was one of the only songs where Mick and Brian sang together on a song alone, without Keith or Bill also singing along with them.

This next paragraph is a repeat from last week… but it’s still important, so let me note it again….: There will be a link to the video in the voting booth so you can view it before you vote. Do remember that yes, we are rating this video for this poll, so where I often say that the videos linked to at the voting booth are only there so you can hear the song before you vote - but don't vote on the video - well for this kind of question of course that doesn't apply at all, as you most definitely should vote 100% on what the video is all about for this question.

To cast your vote in this first poll, just click on: Stones Weekly Poll, and when you get to this page, choose “Poll 1” to vote on this question.

The Stones second poll is where we run the Stones album VS matchups each week, and this week’s question asks this: Tattoo You vs A Bigger Bang, which album do you like the best?

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The Tattoo Us Polls return this week featuring the 1981 LP Tattoo You. TY is doing well in these battles, with a winning record of 12-7-1, placing the LP in a tie for 9th place in the album standings. This week it goes up against 2005’s A Bigger Bang, which isn’t getting the big bang you might think it should have gotten in these matches, as its record is only at 7-13-2, and down in 17th place in those same standings. ABB only has one more match left after this round, so this not so bad album is guaranteed a losing record even if it can pull off wins in its last 2 matches. Oh well, that’s how it goes sometimes, good records having bad records, I guess.

To see the song list for each album, for Tattoo You, click on: TY, and for A Bigger Bang , click here: ABB.

To cast your vote in this second Stones poll, just click on: Stones Weekly Poll, and when you get to this page, choose “Poll 2” to vote on this question.

Looking back at our 2 Stones polls last week, at the first poll we answered this question: Rate the Rolling Stones video for “Miss You”

Once again, just like in the past, last week we saw yet another poor showing for a Stones video, as this one could only garner a “7” as its top pick. I guess us Stones fans are just more critical of our band than other rock fans are. Maybe we should lighten up a bit? I hate disco too, but even I voted this video higher than a 7, other than I agree that Charlie did looked terrible in that vid. To check out the final results in full, just click here: Stones Weekly Poll - week 990, poll 1. Or, you can check out how all of the other videos that we have rated in the past have done by going here: Stones Fans Top Pick Lists - Page 2, under “Video Ratings”.

Looking back at last week’s second Stones poll, the question was: The Rolling Stones, Now! vs Out Of Our Heads, which album do you like the best?

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Somewhat close voting in this one, but one LP was ahead the entire week and held on in the end. Which LP was it? Well you can find out by clicking here:Stones Weekly Poll - week 990, poll 2. Or, you can see the final results and check out the updated, current album standings at the Stones VS Page 1.

Over at the Classic Rock Poll, this week we enter poll week 631, and we run 2 poll questions a week at this one too, and the main Rock poll will continue again this week to look at the most underrated member from a major rock band, as we have been doing for the last few weeks. So this week’s question asks: Who was the most underrated member of the original Pretenders?

This should be a very interesting question since this was such a powerful band in their early days when the original members were still all in the group. Yet while the band is still together on paper even today, what we got today and for the last 30 plus years isn't the real Pretenders at all. Guess you can say a bunch of pretenders have been in the Pretenders since the late '80s, as the only LP not to feature the original lineup, 1984's Learning to Crawl, was the only good one put out and which still sounded like the original band. Today only lead singer and band leader Chrissie Hynde is really still in the band, while original drummer Martin Chambers, while still officially a member, hasn't played on a new Pretenders studio album in 16 years; although only 2 such albums by the current group had been released since 2000. But I have no clue why Chambers wasn't on those albums.

But back in the group’s early days, this was one hell of a band. I never understood how they got labeled as being a "New Wave" band either, when clearly they weren't one. They always played a combo of both regular, classic hard rock music with a good measure of punk mixed in here and there. So where was the New Wave sound? Nowhere would be the correct answer.

Hynde herself, the only American in the original lineup of otherwise all Brits, was from Akron, Ohio, and was a local hippie and big Stones fan. Well actually, she really was a big time Brian Jones fan. She has noted that she was in love with Jones, who she never got to meet, and he was why she always wanted to go live in the UK. In 1973, long after Jones had died, she finally did move to the UK. She started to hang out with friends who were in the emerging Punk Rock moment. She became close with Johnny Rotten - who she wanted to marry, and then she was to marry his future bandmate, Sid Vicious, but not because she was in love with him, but she instead needed to get what here in America we call a "green card" (in the UK it was simply called a "work permit"), and a marriage of convince would be the fastest way to get one. So the 2 actually showed up at the registry office to get married one day - but the place was closed for a holiday on the day they went, and the marriage never happened since she left the UK for a short time after that to live in France. But she did return to the UK and formed the Pretenders in 1978, after she met bassist Pete Farndon, who became her boyfriend. The 2 put together the rest of the band with James Honeyman-Scott on lead guitar and keyboards, and Martin Chambers on the drums. By January of the next year they had their first hit single, a cover of the Kinks song "Stop Your Sobbing", and then their own tune (written by Hynde and Honeyman-Scott) - their third single, "Brass in Pocket", went all the way to number one on the charts and they were becoming true superstars.

After that the group started to put out one hit after another, but unfortunately the original band won't last too long, just 4 years. Drug problems were the main culprit. Farndon's heroin problem totally got in the way, to where he couldn’t play well enough anymore, so he was let go in June of 1982 - - but then, just 2 days later, Honeyman-Scott died from a cocaine overdose. After that, Farndon, who Hynde was considering bringing back into the group after Honeyman-Scott's death, would die himself of a heroin overdose just a few months later.

Somehow Hynde managed to still put out a new Pretenders album a year later in 1984, Learning to Crawl, that still sounded like the old band, with Robbie McIntosh on lead guitar, but after that the lineup started to constantly change (McIntosh would only last for one more LP himself). Drummer Chambers was then fired from the band in 1986, but after about 10 years’ time, he would return to the band on and off. But when the name of the band was still called "The Pretenders" after all of that took place, what was left after the 1984 release was really nothing more than solo work by Hynde, with really a backing band playing for her.

So all of that is why we will only look at the original Pretenders this week, who were a very special, solid band indeed, and those 4 members only are who we will vote on in this poll.

So who do you feel was most underrated in this group? Just click here to make your pick: Classic Rock Poll, and when you get to this page, choose “Poll 1” to vote on this question.

At the second Rock poll this week, known better as the Rock VS poll, we will vote on this question: “The Last Time” vs “Under My Thumb”, both by The Who. Which cover do you like better?

This one could have been run at the Stones poll, but since it's not the Stones playing and we're running out of time at the Stones poll, we'll run the question here.

The Who recorded these 2 songs in support of the Stones after Brian, then Keith and Mick (not to also mention John Lennon, George Harrison, and Donovan, too) were all busted on false, made up drugs charges by the very crooked London police detective, Sergeant Norman Pilcher (a true pig - if any cop was ever a 100% pure pork pig, it was he). Pig Pilcher planted drugs on his victims even if they had none on them, just so he could still arrest them. He hated rockers, his reason for doing this, and the Stones were his main target. The Who really took chances in supporting the Stones here, as you can bet this nut started to look into them too after they took their stand in support of their friends.

There are actually 2 versions of "Under My Thumb" recorded by the Who, but I'll only linking to the single version that was released in support of the Stones and released at the same time on the same double A single with "The Last Time". The second version of UMT (recorded at the same time as the first one but a bit different) ended up released years later on the LP Odds and Sods. You can go with either one that you like better when you compare it against their cover of TLT, but the one linked to at the voting booth is the single version. If you want to hear the other version from O&S, which I feel isn't as good, you can do so here

So which cover do you like better? To cast your vote, just click on Classic Rock Poll, and when you get to this page, choose “Poll 2” to vote on this question.

Looking back at last week’s first Rock poll, it asked: Who was the most underrated member of The Clash?

Well something that we almost never see in the poll results we saw last week. The main Rock poll finished last for total votes cast last week among the 5 weekly polls, where it usually finishes first - and usually by a wide margin. Plus it just barely saw more than 1,000 votes cast. The last time less than 1,000 votes were cast in this poll was about 3 years ago, and that almost happened last week here. Yet the rest of the polls last week all saw their normal totals reached. So does this mean that most Classic Rock fans aren't into Punk music? Well maybe, but a few weeks ago when I ran that VS series where Punk rock was featured, it didn't do so bad against the other genres, and there was no drop-offs in votes cast either each week. So I'm not sure, but I always felt the Clash were the most popular Punk band around, too. Maybe Classic Rock fans just didn't know this band well enough to vote in the poll? Yeah, that could have been why some didn’t vote, as a couple of you Gassers noted in the poll thread last week just that.

But anyway, Mick Jones was voted the most underrated member of the band. I think that's a great pick and he was whom I voted for, too. To see the full final results from this one, just click here: Classic Rock Poll 1, week 629. You can also check out the results from when we asked this same question for other bands, too, with all of the picks listed together on the top of this page Top Ten Lists, Page, 14, although for this one listing it ain’t a Top 10 list at all.

In last week’s VS Rock poll, we answered this question: 'Mono vs stereo, which sound do you prefer to hear on your records?

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Just like I was thinking all along, the answer to this question is clearly stereo sound, and in super landslide numbers. Why record companies still release mono versions of records - like they are something special – is totally beyond me, and I guess most of you, too. To see the final poll totals just click here: Rock VS Poll, week 629. You can also check out the final results at the VS Classic poll results page at the Classic Rock site, by clicking here: VS poll page 3, list page 15.

Okay, let’s finish up the poll post now with the Beatles poll, where we enter week 384 of voting, and ask this new question: Of the Beatle songs where Paul McCartney played drums, which one was his drumming best on?

Paul McCartney was the Beatles' Brian Jones in their group, as there were so many different instruments that he knew how to play. He of course was at first one of the guitarists in the band, back in the band's earliest days when there were 5 Beatles. But the 5th Beatle, Stu Stufcliff, who was on paper the bassist, actually knew nothing about playing bass, since he wasn’t really a musician and was only in the band because of his friendship with John. He tried to learn how to play bass, but it was decided that wasn’t working, so at gigs, Paul would play the bass on his 6 string while Stu was left to pretend to be playing his bass that was turned off. After Stu gave up and left the band, Paul became the official bassist of the band and went out and bought a brand new Höfner bass guitar of his own. But it was stolen sometime after the band became famous, so Höfner gave him a another brand new one for free, an improved model over the other one, a 1963 Höfner 500/1 Violin Bass, one that he still has and plays today!.... that is, when he isn’t playing the drums, or piano, or one of his other instruments.

But getting back to this poll question on Paul’s drumming, Paul played the drums very well indeed, and on the rare occasions when Ringo wasn't around to play them, Paul was his fill-in, and he ended up playing drums on 6 Beatle songs, and those Beatle songs are the ones listed in the poll this week. But I should note that on one of them, "Back In The USSR", both John and George also played the drums for different parts of that song, so there's 3 different drummers on that one song (this was recorded when Ringo had temporary quit the band for a few days during the While Album sessions, after Paul told him that he wasn’t playing well enough).

Now notice, the question isn't asking for the best song listed, but for Paul's best drumming on a Beatle song. Paul just playing percussion doesn't count here, either, as it has to be him actually playing behind a drum kit to be included on this list.

Paul of course, once we left the Beatles, played a lot more drums (on one of the early Wings LPs, he played all of the drums on the entire LP), but not so much while in the Fabs. He’s just on 6 songs, and that's counting "Come and Get It", which wasn't released until after the band broke up, on the Anthology 3 LP.

To vote for Paul’s best drumming in this week’s Beatle poll, please go here: Beatles Weekly Poll.

In last week's Beatles poll we asked: Of the Beatle songs that Ringo Starr sang lead on, which one was best?

Well chances are you guessed it, as “With A Little Help from My Friends” won in a landslide. It really is his most loved song even if it was a true Lennon/McCartney number that they actually wrote together at John’s house one day for Ringo to sing.

I should note that yet another unusual final result was seen with this poll last week too, as not only did the Rock poll do poorly compared to the other 4 polls, but the Beatles poll lead all 5 polls for votes cast in the week, yet another thing we rarely see, and that was with asking a question about Ringo, the least favorite Beatle. Oh well, some things just can't be explained I guess no matter how long these polls are run for!

To see the poll’s final results, just click here: Beatles Weekly Poll – week 383. Plus the top picks will also show up on the Beatles Miscellaneous Listings Page over at the Lennon site.

So that does it for this week’s poll post. Just so you all know, I’ve still been talking to my domain host about solving the ASP problems here. I really don’t know if anything will come to it at this late stage, but I do still want somewhere to post the poll post each week after Gasland closes down, and maybe set up a new blog. Then there’s the fact that the Stones weekly poll ends in 9 weeks but we got more than 9 weeks of album VS polls to run. As I noted last week, those polls more than likely will just continue over at the Rock poll until they finish. But while the polls have had few problems in their programing, unlike the board’s major problems, the polls are actually an older program than the board is, and the truth is, something could still go wrong with them sooner or later too (knock on wood). So I’m trying to be proactive here and stop any future problems from happening, and now that AIT saw the light and fired the moron who messed up their agreement with me a few months ago (the Russian jerk got caught stealing from them, among other things), well with I being one of their first customers from back in the mid-1990s when they started out as a business, they do like me and want to make all of that b/s that took place, up to me. So while I don’t expect anything to come from this, you never know and just maybe something will.

Okay, so stay indoors away from this terrible heat that so much of the U.S is having at the moment. It will cool off sooner or later! I thank all of you for voting in last week’s and this week’s polls!

Keno

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